If it is needed then the point of calling it theft is really just rhetoric and nonsense.
“In practice what you are proposing is an unpatriotic idea.”
Like Rudolph you did go down in History and you also flunked Social Studies in high school.
This part sounds like a conspiracy theory to justify turning cynicism into an argument. Maybe things are different where you are, but around here there is an awful lot of road work and public initiatives. I’m not denying there is corruption in government, but you omit the big picture here.
If you were really a mind-reader you’d see that not everyone pays taxes unwillingly. Some people see the value of schools, or a military, and so on.
And this. You’re applying a religious fervor to your economic theory. Maybe it isn’t him; maybe macro forces (like the recession that forced millions out of work a few years ago) are to blame. Jumping to the conclusion that he’s equivalent to a burger flipper is unnecessarily rude. Just because your economic theory claims employment/income is only and always a function of one’s ‘productivity’ doesn’t mean that is truly the big picture.
Really, it is churlish to cast taxation as ‘using force’. It is a social contract. Sure, there are enforcement mechanisms behind taxation, but those are one set of laws I can support (out of pragmatism, not aggression). Taxes certainly can become oppressive, but as it stands today the wealthy have stuck their thumb on the scales to their outsized advantage. I think these arguments are an attempt to increase that advantage, or else something that gets repeated by suckers.
That sounds nice, but it requires massive omission to view it in the Libertarian light. You guys want to take everything down to the level of individual transactions but omit the fact that extreme disparities in wealth will result in an unjust (even, yes, aggressive) context for deal-making. You’ll have crowds of huddled masses brought one-by-one before the full weight and force of various corporations, forced to beg for a wage that will prevent them from starvation.
We have a constitution in part as a reaction against the abuses of monarchies and aristocracies. Look around- there is plenty of wiggle room for the wealthy to become ever-more wealthy. Throwing ‘We the People’ under the bus altogether would be convenient for the very wealthiest, sure, but again in the big picture it is a hare-brained scheme that would screw over a majority of citizens.
Sounds like a false dichotomy to me. Do we only get to choose between it being the fault of the unemployed person or the taxpayer? What about the people with the power to shape the economic environment? If we were to do what Libertarians seem to want and eliminate all regulations whatsoever in the name of FREEDOM!!11!!!1!, what is to stop the very wealthy from creating conditions, for their own personal benefit of course, in which even more people are reduced to beggars than are already?
Did I misspell something? My bad. You also might note that your ignorant stance in this thread is both unkind and rude. And stupid and ignorant for that matter.
Also, are you sure that typos should have a possessive s?
You’re not wise. You’re an angry person who has grasped onto nonsense because it makes you feel better.
Thanks for answering my question though, I guess you don’t know that you’re stupid. Have a good Christmas, and don’t think about what a miserable failure you’d be if there was no government saving you from yourself. <3
Okay I am just not seeing the spelling mistakes in his post. Point them out for me? This is the kind of thing that will bug me until I see it.
Not in his posts, no, you have to look in Typo’s.
No, I see that one ( in the monavis post). I meant monavis indicating that there were typos (no apostrophe) in lobohan’s post.
Help me out, monavis!
I am unaware that this is a spelling or English class, I did not state anything against any one personally on this board. If it bothers you that I had experienced a different life than you and acted differently to my circumstance than you , that is your problem not mine!
I have spell check and if it is wrong then so be it!
As you will note, errors turn red. Spelling of some of the names were apparently misspelled but I do not worry about a misspelling and I do not believe anyone has to agree with me. I have the right to my ideas, and thoughts as well as other’s have theirs. Nor do I care if someone likes me or not. I a not bothered by someone else’s thoughts ,likes or dislikes, because someone disagrees with me does not make them stupid.
But you do not seem ok that people feel differently. You judge them very harshly if they aren’t as grateful as you expect them to be or aren’t willing to sacrifice as extremely as you were willing to do.
You don’t seem to see any of these attitudes as problems and are ok will elderly people barely getting by.
I am mot asking them to be grateful as much as not to whine about what they get for free from others., I have volunteered at our Senior services and notice what a lot of seniors have to go through. I support our Senior Center and know the good work many people who volunteer do. I have never heard a Senior there ever complain about the food the Salvation Army provides. But I wonder if some on this board would? I guess the generations will always differ with some of each other.
Some people will complain no matter what, and some will accept things with good graces. It takes all kinds to make a world!
This. The reason that I and many others took the advice and got those degrees years ago was that we were told that all the people retiring from colleges and universities would be replaced by grads like us. Well, they retired all right, but the admins figured out that just hiring a never-ending revolving door workforce of adjunct faculty instead of hiring profs full-time would save a ton of money. Or something. (The admins’ salaries, in the meantime, got bigger and bigger. Go figure.) This situation has led to a multitude of problems for the higher ed system.
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Originally Posted by vivalostwages View Post
The Libertarians’ philosophy is downright bizarre:
http://www.lp.org/issues/poverty-and-welfare
Translation: I recently looked up libertarianism because it appeared in this thread.
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Apparently, they think gov’t assistance is so evil that just having any kind of job at all would be desirable and take care of anyone’s problems;
Do you have a cite for that?
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that minimum wage should be whatever the hell an employer wants it to be
Any wage is a voluntary agreement between employer and employee. Any price is a voluntary agreement between buyer and seller.
Actually, I had read that page before and simply went back to it.
The opposition to government-anything is all over the site.
Employers don’t set minimum wage; the US Dept. of Labor does. When people like Bachmann claim that ending minimum wage is the solution to unemployment, they ignore the plain fact that just having a crappy “job” with some tiny amount of pay is not enough to lift people out of poverty.
Jesus, you’re a one-trick pony and that trick is taking the same dump over and over. Here’s the deal- societies need things like infrastructure (roads, sewers utilities, etc.) and public services (police, fire, military, EMS, etc.). These things cost money. The most effective way to pay for them is through taxes. If you have a better system, let’s hear it. Whining about not keeping every fucking cent you earn is not a better system.
Try this thread. Warning, this guy should give lessons to Aurthur Murray.
Link for the benefit of the young’uns.
Yeah, I’m old enough to know who Arthur Murray is. Been to that thread, read it. There will always be the chasm between the libertarian view that property rights trump all and viewpoint of everyone else. Silly lot, those libertarians.
Ownership of person and property is not a natural right, but is guaranteed only by a government of laws instituted by men.
“I like to pay taxes. With them, I buy civilization.”
Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
And I most certainly agree. I find your point of view laughably naive.
Mine? I don’t remember posting in this thread before now.
I am not judging all the people, just those who want to live off others and can have the same thing as the wealthy. I am referring to the people I know who feel they should have the best of everything and let other’s pay for it. If it came across as If I were judging all people who need help it is a wrong thing on my part, I I did write there are exceptions to all rules. Most people of my generation do not want help and do so only because they have no other choice. At least that is how people that I know and I have never heard any complaints about the food at the Senior citizen’s center near here.