So it’s not stealing, just offensive to your peculiar ethics?
Taxation is legalized theft.
Peculiar universal ethic that every person is entitled to ownership of person and property.
Not in America.
What is universal about an ethic devised by men?
It is also universal to dismiss the ones that just repeat the same post and expect a different result.
Taxes are there for a reason. And ownership and property are not repealed when taxes are present.
In practice what you are proposing is an unpatriotic idea.
So while you disparage someone using a safety net that he paid into, you want all the benefits of society without paying for any of it.
So who’s the selfish bastard now?
And Monavis and Martin Hyde fade into the far, far distance in the race to produce the most contemptible contribution to this thread.
Let me point out that WillFarnaby can not, on the basis of this thread, have any idea what the OP does for a living, or what his training has been. So he has not idea what the OP’s potential productivity is. The OP could be a cancer researcher with 20 years of experience, but it’s all the same to Will. Let him flip burgers! Will obviously assumes that once an employer flings you out the door, all that training and experience is for naught and you immediately attain the same economic value as someone who aspires only to man a fast food counter for the entire rest of their life.
But then again, this is WillFarnaby who has, in every thread that he’s appeared in, has displayed the same deep understanding of politics and economics of a particularly dim and naive whelk. Apparently he has the empathy of a whelk as well.
I used to be a libertarian. But then I grew up.
In other news, WillFarnaby can eat a bag of ducks.
Do you know youre stupid, or are you just frustrated all the time?
The Libertarians’ philosophy is downright bizarre:
http://www.lp.org/issues/poverty-and-welfare
Apparently, they think gov’t assistance is so evil that just having any kind of job at all would be desirable and take care of anyone’s problems; that minimum wage should be whatever the hell an employer wants it to be (Michele Bachman says the same thing); and that any further help should come from one’s community and from charities.
I don’t get how this is compassionate (as they say in their summary).
It saves them from the stress of being human.
You are free to think all you want, I believe you have the right to take something I said whatever way you wish. Your mind reading is your right as well.
Many in my generation lived as I had to, and a person has the right to complain or not. Why it should bother you is something you have to deal with. because you seem to be upset by my beliefs tells a lot about you as well. You seem to think people are entitled to get what they want off someone else who saved or did without. Truth is not Bragging but if you see it that way think as you wish.
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It is my belief that it is far better to be stupid than unkind and rude. Perhaps some intelligent people can be bragging? and I noticed spelling mistakes in your post now. Perhaps they are just typo’s?
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Where am I taking what you say personally? 
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If you noticed I said,“IF” you are taking it personally.
I would add that no one should go hungry and the working poor also pay taxes and a higher percent than a rich man. At least that is what they talked of in the news. almost every thing they buy has a tax on it. Even the working poor pay for the ones who can’t or don’t want to.
Mmmmm… cheddar quackers.
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And Monavis and Martin Hyde fade into the far, far distance in the race to produce the most contemptible contribution to this thread.
Let me point out that WillFarnaby can not, on the basis of this thread, have any idea what the OP does for a living, or what his training has been. So he has not idea what the OP’s potential productivity is. The OP could be a cancer researcher with 20 years of experience, but it’s all the same to Will. Let him flip burgers! Will obviously assumes that once an employer flings you out the door, all that training and experience is for naught and you immediately attain the same economic value as someone who aspires only to man a fast food counter for the entire rest of their life.
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I’m sure Will thinks it’s also the OP’s fault for not being able to see into the future regarding his “poor career choices.”
I’m at fault that way too, since I failed to foresee 20+ years ago that getting three college degrees wasn’t necessarily going to lead to a full-time job in my chosen field, as I was told at the time that it would. I’ve been trying to change careers, but this past year has held nothing but setbacks (health-related) in that regard. (I suppose that was also my fault.)
I think that unemployment could also be tied to the number of quarters one worked - you work for 20 years and put into the plan for 20 years, you should be able to get unemployment for 20 years. Think about it - many of the people now stuck without jobs worked for a significant amount of time, putting money into the program. I know I started working full time back in 1979 [while going to school] and at various times worked 2 jobs. So I have 30+ years of putting money into Social Security and various states Unemployment Insurance programs. In general the best unemployment payout was 26 weeks up until the current financial kerfluffle. Almost 1 week per YEAR of input. That it was finally recognized that you just can’t go out and POP a new job offer appears is great, and I approve of a good safety net but I would really like to see something towards improving it and improving the incomes of minimum wage drones to something approaching actually being able to afford to live - and I think that nationalization of foreclosed or abandoned homes and issuing them as some sort of assigned living space could help, as would some sort of standardized rent control. I know there could be a solution if the corporations and 1% could stop being the damned dogs in the mangers.
Who knew that in addition to ignorance of economics you also possessed a belief in American Exceptionalism?
It applies to all men and women universally, including those elected by a minority of the persons living in a given territory.
Can you present an argument against it? If so, why haven’t you?
This is an argument for the necessity of taxation, not against the claim that it is legalized theft.
No shit? Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
The government has brainwashed you into believing taxes pay for society. Taxes are for politicians to maintain power by purchasing constituencies and special interests.
Society is shorthand for the summation of voluntary interactions between individuals. Taxes undermine society by forcing individuals into involuntary arrangements.
If his productivity was higher he would find a buyer for his labor at that higher level. Since the whole point of his post was that he finds himself unable to find a job at the higher level, his productivity is about equal to a burger flipper or ditch digger depending on what type of shape he is in.
If he is a cancer researcher who refuses to take the only job he qualifies for given the current market situation, he is a snob, which buttresses my chief claim.
Did I suggest he give up on his higher aspirations? The fuck are you talking about bud? He should adapt to current situations and take a job that is in demand while plotting his move to higher productivity endeavors. Only his snobbery stands in the way.
…one who has just smashed your ramblings to the ground…
I used to be a progressive, then I grew up.
People like you repeat this silliness often, but it means nothing. You used to be against using force on people, then you grew older and more aggressive? That’s the evolution of a true enlightened individual, indeed.
I know there are limits to my knowledge, like any wise person. I am seldom frustrated because I am patient.
Translation: I recently looked up libertarianism because it appeared in this thread.
Do you have a cite for that?
Any wage is a voluntary agreement between employer and employee. Any price is a voluntary agreement between buyer and seller.
Where do taxes come from? One’s community, No?
Libertarians believe it is wrong for any group or individual to agress on the person or property of an individual. This is called the Non-Agression Principle. Any libertarian stance on policy follows from this principle.
Much like spending time in a progressive echo-chamber saves you from the stress of understanding human nature.
Who is more at fault for the OPs career miscalculations? The OP or the taxpayers?
Yes it is more your fault than the taxpayers. I would advise you to no longer take the advice of the person who told you those degrees would lead to a full-time job in your chosen field. The fact that you took bad advice doesn’t give you the right to aggress on the property of your neighbor.
I understand human nature just fine.
So tell me where the money would come from to pay for fire and police protection. How about maintaining the roads and sewers? Collect garbage. Maintain a military. Enforce environmental laws, endure clean and safe food. License health practitioners.
Educate youth.
Sure won’t come from such as yourself if you think voluntary contributions will work.