Bricker! If use a goto statement again in a post I will have you come to the front of the class to publicly defend your use of the goto statement as a forward jump.
So why did you choose Franken as an example? You didn’t even bring up Franken’s incident was 13 years ago. Couldn’t you find a more recent example of a Democrat committing assault?
…it is really quit sad and pathetic that you felt the need to quote this article not only once in this thread, but twice. I can’t quite tell if it was because you didn’t feel you had sufficiently trolled this thread enough with this irrelevant nonsense, or that you are so insecure that you need to keep posting this dribble in order to feel more secure about yourself.
But thanks for reminding us that it is people like you that is everything that is wrong with America today. I don’t know what right-wing blog it was that you follow that you grabbed this talking point from, but the fact that you could even conceivably believe that your Al Franken story is remotely relevant to this one when even the police spokesman said “there is no crime” shows that even somebody as smart and intelligent as you can fall for fake news.
You are being truly pathetic in this thread. I apologise for not being sufficiently outraged enough about a “blocked punch” between a couple of Representatives that was “broken up before it escalated” way back in 1995. I apologise that I didn’t complain on my twitter at the time, because twitter didn’t fucking exist then. And I apologize for not being sufficiently outraged at the time when a feminist studies professor that I had never heard of committed a crime, and I agree that she should have been fired. And I apologise for not being sufficiently outraged that Al Franken helped security subdue a violent protester and not being sufficiently outraged that Al Franken was not arrested or charged.
And I don’t want to speak for “all liberals” in this thread but (having read every post in this thread) I don’t see that anybody here would disagree with what I have said.
We cannot test your thesis that “outrage associated with this incident is grounded mainly in the political party of the malefactor” because not only can you not find an equivalent relevant “crime”: but “outrage” is such a subjective thing that you are unable to measure it, especially with incidents that happened over 20 years ago. So stop harping on about it.
Its 2017. “Outrage” is seen differently now than it was in 1996. Information is decimated differently. Never before in the history of mankind has it been possible for the “person in the street” to have a voice that can be heard around the world. I can assure you that when Bob Jones assaulted a reporter I was outraged. You didn’t hear my outrage the time because I didn’t have a platform back then. But now I do. And I’m as outraged by this current incident as I was back in 1985.
So stop trolling this thread. Or if you want to insist on continuing to troll this thread, for gods sakes at least try a little better and be a bit less obvious.
When you cry “fake news” you should be more careful. The police spokesman only said “there was no crime” because no on had [yet] issued a complaint. When you leave “there is no crime” hanging all by itself like that, you are engaging in fake news, as the non-careful reader will think the police spokesperson is making a statement of absolute fact rather than a conditional assessment based on peculiarities of the circumstances.
Maybe we should report him as a certified code troll.
…oh smeg off. I have no need to be “more careful.” I included a link to the fuller context of the quote in question: which I will note that you managed to successfully click and read.
Bricker has been entirely disingenuous throughout this thread. And yet you come after me for that. Pathetic. Grow some balls John. I’m not the problem here. We are in the fucking pit, we aren’t in Great Debates, you can take your accusation that I’m engaging in “fake news” and shove it up your cactus.
We do disagree then. I am going to do some more research into the Franken incident, but unless he was protecting others from a physical threat or acting as a law enforcement officer to lawfully remove someone from a private venue, I do not see how assaulting another person can be admirable.
Nice start to your question.
- when backed into a corner, start in with the insults. Gently at first - try to provoke, and make the conversation into an insult contest.
You are conveniently ignoring the context. That it was a reporter who was attacked by the Republican candidate. That the reporter was asking questions about Russian investments. That the candidate’s party has a history of verbally attacking the media. That the candidate’s leader has a history of heaping scorn and abuse on the media.
Context.
But keep on with the lawyer defense mode. Works great for you.
OK. You’ve laid out that context.
But I still believe that the outrage associated with this incident is grounded mainly in the political party of the malefactor, not the reasons or context you list.
So my question to you is: How would you say I can acceptably argue this thesis?
So is my thesis untestable?
There’s simply no evidence or analiogy that I could possibly argue in favor of it? I t simply can’t be discussed?
Professor Mirelle Miller-Young and now-Senator Al Franken both had their events occur more recently. And Bob Jones punching a reporter generating outrage with you is consistent with my thesis, since Jones was a libertarian and opposed New Zrealand’s socialist policies.
What kinds of arguments would be acceptable to use to support my thesis?
Oh bullshit. Many people don’t click on links and trust posters here to be honest, or they won’t click on a link if the poster is posting something they agree with.
Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time and you don’t get to hide behind “someone is worser than little ol’ me”. The fact of the matter is that it’s very unclear what the exact circumstances are surrounding the Franken event. You are making it less clear.
Sure he did. He was shouting down Dean. It was Dean’s rally. He absolutely needed to be met with violence (the minimum level of violence necessary to effect his removal, at any event).
Bricker: This might have gotten lost as the last post on the previous page. Can you clarify what you mean when you say Franken “did admirably”.
He’s got water to hold!
Post 312.
…yep.
You can discuss it all you fucking like. But we cannot objectively test it.
Professor Mirelle Miller-Young is not a politician and she did not body slam any-fucking-body, sit on top of them and throw punches, break any glasses, nor made anyone have to go into hospital. Senator Al Franken’s incident happened in 2004, two years before twitter was even invented, he was not arrested or charged with anything, we don’t even know who he allegedly assaulted. His incident was not caught on tape and we only really know that it happened through a series of anecdotes.
Yes: they happened (relatively) recently. No: they are not comparable to the incident in this thread at all.
The bare minimum would be for you to find comparable incidents. You aren’t even in the ballpark yet. Your thesis is dependent on the “level of outrage.” You need to define outrage and provide a measure for outrage: and your outrage meter needs to be calibrated to the differences between pre-social-media 1996 and peak-social-media 2017.
OK, I was ninja’ed by your answer.
I can’t agree with that. If the heckler was not being violent, it’s not up to civilians to attack them, physically. There are security guards for that. Plus, I would not call tackling the guy by his legs as “the minimum violence necessary”. You, yourself, have said Franken could be charged with assault*. That’s not admirable.
*“I think both of those describe a criminal assault.”
It’s much worse than that: The reporter was asking about CBO scoring of a health bill that the candidate went through all kinds of knots to not have a public opinion on until after people had voted. The reporter couldn’t have waited for another time to ask it. IOW the reporter was doing the necessary work of democracy. No badgering occurred. But someone might consider that donald has been badgering the press from the bully pulpit, a lot. That is if they were interested in a good faith discussion.
Not clear at all that Franken was the one that decided that, by the time Franken intervened he was already being swarmed by security, Franken just helped, IMHO dumb if the security was taking care of him but it seems that the security was not making much progress just before Franken intervened.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/21/magazine/al-franken-seriously-so.html
IMHO that “body slam” from the right wing media has very little basis. As other witnesses reported the heckler was becoming more unhinged and closer to the speaker.
The problem with “waiting for security guards” is that a heckler gets to drown out Gov. Dean and stop the entire rally from continuing.
Yes, I concede it was criminal assault. And I also say good for him.