But no one is complaining just because Biden made a speech. All the criticism is based on the exaggeration and outright falsehoods he included in the speech. So your justification for a tu quoque is not valid.
If one wishes to know if what he said was ridiculous in and of itself, you don’t need to compare it to other politicians’ speeches. Just compare it to the facts. If, as it turns out, it is very far from accurate in its assertions, then you know that the speech is ridiculous, and you don’t have to drag in what Republicans say at all.
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The blantant misrepresentation that with fewer cops, crime tends to go up. Yeah, I’m solid with that.
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But, you will notice that Biden’s claims about rapes were false - they did not increase, they decreased.
So you are OK with a politician making a false statement, provided his facts are also wrong?
That’s not remotely true. Look at the title of this thread. There is nothing about exagerrated stats. The only over-the-top rhetoric in this whole story is the claim that Biden said that Republicans want you grandmother to get raped.
Well, no - post #12 has some rather exaggerated rhetoric.
Again, Biden made some demonstrably false statements. You apparently have no problem with that. That’s unfortunate, but it seems to be the way the thread has progressed.
Czarcasm allegedly wanted to analyse what Biden said. Unfortunately, that analysis showed up Biden’s latest set of whoppers pretty clearly. And so we proceed to the various attempts to change the subject, condemn Republicans for something or other, or otherwise push IOKIADDI as hard as it usually gets pushed.
OK Biden shouldn’t have said that. Its good to hear that you are so vigilant in pointing out the hyperbolic quotes of Democrats. I assume you were equally vigilant when Pain came with her claims of death panels. A cite of such behavior on your part would be particularly nice.
When you make bold statements about the consequences of some facts, it is best, if you are choosing to make these statements boldly, that you make sure that your facts are correct. Mr. Biden’s underlying facts were simply wrong. Not a good debate tactic. It is also not unique to Mr. Biden, or his party.
I think errors in statements of fact made by candidates for elective office, or those proposing legislative actions should always be publicly exposed. The implied ad hominem is gratuitous, and of far less importance.
The reporter accused Biden of using a ‘rape reference’ to describe ‘Republican opposition to the bill.’ That was utter horse shit on the reporter’s part. That was akin to, “Vice President Biden, have you stopped beating your wife?”
He never used a ‘rape reference’; and he certainly did mention the crime as a description of Republican opposition.
But if that’s ‘mighty close enough,’ then I’m still wondering why Ron Paul wants poor people to die in the streets.
Typo on my part. Obviously, I meant ‘he certainly **didn’t **mention the crime as a description of Republican opposition.’
And using the word ‘rape’ when making a point (as in, here are some crimes I want to talk about, including rape, murder and burglary) certainly is not any sort of rape reference that was used to denigrate the opposition.
And if we insist it is, I’ll thank you to stop making rape references when addressing me in this thread.
Reread my post and try again. The administration is asking for additional funding for police.
Republicans want to obstruct anything the administration wants, because Republicans think obstructing the president is worth fewer police on the street. Republicans think the price of fewer police would be more than paid for by the benefit of not giving the administration what they want.
still constitutes a rape reference. And Biden did stick to his prediction that rape, murder and crime in general, would continue to rise if Republicans didn’t pass the bill.
So as far as can be determined, Biden did indeed claim that rapes would continue to increase if Republicans did not support Obama’s jobs bill. But, since we have already established that rapes have not increased, but rather decreased, it seems clear that both Biden’s premise and his conclusion are wrong.
