Well, that’s just it: I want legal immigration policy to be built around us doing our level best to discern whether “THIS” would-be immigrant would be more of a benefit than a problem, so we can let them in if so — and, if we figure “THAT” would-be immigrant would be more of a problem, so we can sensibly turn them away. And if they try to sidestep that process by coming in illegally, well, then, they’ve sidestepped our chosen method for evaluating whether we figure they’ll be more of a problem or more of a benefit.
This doesn’t even make any sense historically, since England was hardly Anglo-Saxon by the time English settlers came to America. They were a mutt race of Celtic, Norman French, Anglo-Saxon, and Norse peoples. And that was 500 years ago. The government of England certainly didn’t descend from “uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions” - we don’t really have a Witan selecting our kings anymore…
This is just another anti-immigrant nationalist party. We’ve had them since we’ve been a nation. All that changes is what group of immigrants they decide to hate.
Hell, Gosar is a third-generation Slovenian immigrant with Basque ancestors on the other side.
That reasoning can be used as a fig leaf to cover supporting truly horrible people.
For example, if a politician were to say: "We must make America Great Again by deporting all of those fucking N$%^# and %^&$, (insert racial epithets), I guess you could say, “Well, I really agree with making America great. I disagree with some of what he says, but hey, I like that first part so…”
In this instance, you are trying to ignore the chunks of white supremacist shit in the sundae. Actually, it’s more like you’re picking bits of ice cream out of the pile of white supremacist shit.
The sundae is tainted. It’s been contaminated with shit. Don’t eat it.
So let’s have that debate, as a country, and write into law whatever immigration policy we decide would be best for the United States — and revisit it from time to time, changing it as our evaluation changes.
It’s the whole “Hitler went too far but he did make the trains run on time” thing. “I disagree with some of the Democratic Party’s platform and I agree with some of the Fascist Authoritarian White Supremacist Party’s platform so 
both sides. I’m just a simple independent free-thinker, after all.”
Why the assumption that, back in the 50s, The_Other_Waldo_Pepper would have been one of the ones sitting back and letting the KKK go ahead? That’s completely unjustified.
He’s said right here in this very thread that he supports racist policy, because he thinks it’s just sensible. Based on that, the only reasonable conclusion is that he wouldn’t have just been sitting back.
And no, you don’t support legal immigration. If you did, you’d be voting for the party that is trying to make legal immigration possible. We could end illegal immigration entirely, but it’s only the Democrats who ever try to do so.
Fair enough; and if one of them is running against a Democrat who’s offering me a non-shit sundae, then I’ll vote accordingly. But if I see a Democrat throw in a piece of shit — or two pieces of shit, or three — then I’m going to compare and contrast; I can’t not compare and contrast.
Sure, that’s an excellent idea. But then don’t defend the asshats that talk about immigration with terms like “supporting anglo saxon culture” and other white supremacist garbage.
Don’t take the words of white supramacist asshats, and massage them around to make them more palatable.
Have a good policy discussion about immigration with reasonable people, and cast these despicable people to one side.
History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation
They oppose the importation of slaves. How is that a bad thing? Time to party like it’s 1808.
It seems you might be saying that white supremacist shit is not all that bad in comparison, so “meh”. I might not have that right.
I don’t believe I’ve said that.
So instead of asking whether I voted for Democrats, you just — put that little no-you-don’t out there, huh?
Can anyone think of any “uniquely Anglo-Saxon political tradition” that still exists? I mentioned the Witan. They also had wergeld as a price for criminal activity. They had pretty strong protections of kingly lands. Slavery and serfdom were a thing. Worship of the Germanic gods? Paying the Danegeld?
I’d say there is almost nothing from the Anglo-Saxon culture that still exists in a meaningful sense, certainly not politically.
Why didn’t they just say “Western European”? At least that would have made sense. Worried folks would have thought they meant the French, God forbid?
It’s a dog - whistle for “white people”.
If it doesn’t harm others, people can believe what they want to a degree.
This is more reminiscent of yahoos drinking large quantities of milk in public. (We have lactase!?). Since America is becoming ever less homogeneous it is not a smart or viable long-term strategy. It will look very dated and sad from a future perspective.
Do you think historical accuracy is important to them? In any case, “Anglo-Saxon” has long been used as an ethnic term in the United States that has nothing to do with the political history of Britain.
That in no way describes this group and the morally/ethically handicapped assholes that support them.
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What political traditions, other than bragging on “Anglo-Saxons”, are uniquely Anglo-Saxon?
It concerns me when white supremacy is perceived as “mundane”.
I’ve never seen a candidate – or anybody else – who I agree with 100% either. But between a candidate who I think will encourage or at least not discourage consolidation of crop seed production, and a candidate who’s encouraging people who want to murder or at least exile me and a lot of my loved ones, I don’t have too much trouble making a distinction.
There is not shit in both sundaes. There’s a couple of anchovies in one of them (I hate anchovies) and a shitload of pure poison in the other one.
Do you favor the existence of such a path, without a ten or twenty year waiting list to get on it?
Do you seriously think that racism doesn’t harm others?
Say what?
Kittens! We can all come together about kittens!
I didn’t introduce the word “mundane”.
Hey, next time there’s an election, I’ll tally up the sundaes — and if it shakes out like you say, then you and I may well be in agreement.
Of course! If they can benefit us, then I want them to be able to make that case.
You didn’t seem to be able to tell the difference between shit and sundae the last election, and I see little sign of you developing taste buds since then.
Interesting. So you’re not going to ask how I voted in the last election; you’re just going to make a claim?