Is this a real question? They ask for, “demonstrated respect for this nation’s Anglo-Saxon culture,” separate from respect for the rule of law.
I don’t know why you insist on ignoring the Anglo-Saxon culture part. It runs throughout the document. It’s their core principle. Economics and the rule of law are window dressing for the racist of heart of the matter.
FUCK THAT! And FUCK anyone who thinks it’s a reasonable stance. White supremacist/nationalist shit needs to be a non-negotiable deal-breaker, and anyone who puts it on their sundae must be instantly disqualified from sitting in policy-making bodies. White supremacist/nationalist shit must be eradicated from any “equation” BEFORE any other shit is compared and contrasted.
It’s just a slightly-euphemistic synonym for “Aryan”, in the sense that you-know-who used the word in the 1930s. (Not to be confused with the usage of “Aryan” for the ancient Indo-European peoples.)
Well, (a) how many millions of illegal immigrants do you think we have in this country, and (b) how did they get here? (Also: why the “dark skinned” bit? Don’t you think I’m equally opposed to illegal immigration by folks who are decidedly pale?)
What preconceptions?
The line I’m looking at — and maybe it’s the wrong one? — is that “America’s legal immigration system should be curtailed to those that can contribute not only economically, but have demonstrated respect for this nation’s culture and rule of law. America’s borders must be defended, and illegal immigration must be stopped without exception.”
All right; since it seems so important to you: How did you vote in the last presidential election? Also the last congressional, senate, gubernatorial and state assembly elections, if it’s not too intrusive.
Run away, RickJay, as fast as you can, Or this’ll turn into another The_Other_Waldo_Pepper show, like the last one!
Well, it kinda already is, I guess…
Since it seems so important to me? Someone else tosses that bit out there instead of asking a question, and you don’t mention how important it seems to them, but instead feel the need to preface your remark to me with that?
I voted for the Democrat.
Republican, Democrat, Democrat, Republican.
Not trying to junior mod here, but yeah, that likely has the makings of a real good discussion in a different thread. This thread is about how fucking awful the putative America First caucus is. If you’re not interested in talking about that, why are you here?
Because the question is, presumably, how awful they are compared to whom? I’d evaluate their position on any given issue in terms of whether it’s better or worse than X.
The part I take exception to is “respect for this nation’s culture”. Particularly when earlier in the document it was framed as “Anglo-Saxon culture”. I see no reason why a productive and American-loving immigrant needs to respect “Anglo-Saxon culture”. In fact, I don’t really think there is such a thing as “Anglo-Saxon culture”. I’ve been told that means “white culture”, which at least makes more sense than “Anglo-Saxon” culture but is, of course, rather more offensive.
Sadly, what is all to common is the belief that the “wrong” people are coming not because they aren’t hard-working or don’t love American, but because they have the wrong culture. Many people equate that to things like “language”, “religion”, “respect for military/police/etc”, “priority towards individualism vs. social welfare”, and, yes, “whiteness”. Our immigration system should most definitely not take any of those factors into account when determining who should be allowed to immigrate, IMO.
This caucus, or at least parts of their statement, very clearly state that only those that respect “Anglo-Saxon culture” should be allowed to immigrate. That is historical nonsense, economic nonsense, and pretty damn racist. It’s the same thing as anti-immigrant groups in the past being pissed too many Catholics were coming to ruin this Protestant country.
Hey, look! It’s the Anglo-Saxon political tradition!
That sounded better in the original German.
If she hadn’t passed away last year, they could have gotten Carol Arthur, who played the school ma’rm in “Blazing Saddles”, to do a public reading of their manifesto.
We the white, God-fearing members of the Know-Nothing caucus…
I suppose I could have been less ambiguous; my apologies. What I should have said was, since it seems so important to you that you be be asked directly, rather than simply volunteering the data…
Republican, Democrat, Democrat, Republican.
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Thank you for your candor.
I note two Republicans in that litany, though, which suggests that you hate America just as much as MTG and the America-hating fuckstick.
There IS NO compared to whom! They are absolutely awful, and the only acceptable response to their existence is eradication.
But that isn’t what the document is arguing, and why it represents a shocking new low for the Republican party. Up until now the Republican party line has felt it necessary to cover their racism behind the thin fig leaf of pretending that they are only concerned about Illegal immigration. That if everyone would just follow the rules and wait their turn everything would be fine (while at the same time making sure that the rules are impossible to follow and the turn never comes). This document is straight up know-nothing xenophobia.
Instead of hemming and hawing about the rule of law, and things being unfair to those who followed the rules, we have this:
An important distinction between post-1965 immigrants and previous waves of settlers is that
previous cohorts were more educated, earned higher wages, and did not have an expansive
welfare state to fall back on when they could not make it in America and thus did not stay in the
country at the expense of the native-born. Another important point of note is the many pauses in
immigration that have taken place in this country following a large intake of immigrants. These
pauses have been absolutely essential in assimilating the new arrivals and weeding out those
who could not or refused to abandon their old loyalties and plunge head-first into mainstream
American society.
Also, aside from the non-existence of welfare every statement in that paragraph is factually false. About 90% of the immigrants from Latin America literate as compared to 10% of Irish immigrants Even adjusting for inflation they are earning higher wages relative to the turn of the century piece work and sweat shops. If immigrant couldn’t hack it in America they didn’t go home, since they were unlikely to be able to afford passage, the more likely just died (thank you non-existence of welfare). As for loyalty, that has always been a go to accusation, with people speculating that immigrants had more loyalty to the pope than to the president.
Look, all I’m saying is that Hitler likes dogs. I like dogs, too. So, maybe we should listen to what else he has to say.
That’s weird, because dogs fucking hated Hitler. But then, dogs are honest that way.
It would appear that he’s wanting to shift the conversation away from the white supremacist language in the statement, and move it to a general discussion about immigration policy. I guess if we pretend the white supremacist language does not exist, then we need not worry about. it.