It was either the Front for the Liberation of Palestine or the Palestinian Liberation Front. Blessed are the Chessemakers!
They’ve been deliberately murdering babies and pregnant women for years. What difference should a single chemical weapon make? If true.
The Palestinian terrorists are full of shit that can’t be trusted further that you can kick a cat. But they do know just how to shoot themselves in the foot - again and again. Any two bit chemist can make some sort of chemical weapon. But everybody knows too that it’s a really bad idea. Both for propaganda reasons, and military reasons.
“We fart in your general direction!”
Ah yes… chemical weapons. :snort:
OTOH, it’s refreshing to see someone actually admit to having WMDs, even though they, you know, don’t.
How did things go wrong so quickly?
Stop money moving and you always get reactions. I suspect that Hamas want the Israelis to hit them and the civilians hard. Hoping to get international public opinion back on their side and the aid money flowing again.
Fuck. Just… fuck. :mad: 
I’m not sure that the distinction between civilian and non-civilian is relevant in that part of the world. It’s certainly not honoured.
Nobody here (or there) can/could justify a nuke strike, it would be mutual destruction for all.
If a nuke goes off, even one small one, the radiation gets carried by the jet-stream. It then drops down in rain on to grass and crops and us. Not sure, but how many months after an above ground nuke detonation on the opposite end of the world does one have to wait until the milk cows give is no longer radioactive? 18 months?
According to the al-Jazeera account:
Yeah, sure…
One above ground nuclear explosion certainly isn’t going to shut down dairy production all over the world. Back in the 50s the US and USSR used to conduct regular open air nuclear tests. One little nuke flattening Tel Aviv or Mecca isn’t going to deprive kids of milk.
Huh. Israeli politicians can’t be trusted any further. And also know how to shoot themselves in the foot again and again. And are the ones with an undeclared nuclear arsenal. Useful for both propaganda and military reasons.
Does anyone here believe that if a militant Palistinian group had a serious weapon of mass destruction, they would most likely exercise restraint rather than vapourize a bunch of Jews? Does anyone here believe that a majority of middle east Muslims would be upset if a million Jews in the middle East were vapourized?
Does anyone believe that a majority of Americans would be upset enough to sacrifice 3000 of their own young peoples lives to save a bunch of middle east Jews?
I can’t say I’m qualified to draw the line where the Israeli response can be deemed excessive. I don’t think anyone else here is either.
As mentioned upthread I’m unable to find anything suggesting the national dairy farmers in the eastern US were pumping out radioactive milk at any point. Just another shrill anti-nuke voice ignoring fact and reason. Trust me on this as I’ve been shown time and time again, that’s not real popular around here.
Just saying.
Well, the last I heard was that the Israelis bombed the Gaza power plant (which also means they will soon have no safe water either.) They also took out some bridges to make it difficult to move the Israeli who was kidnapped. There are some emergency generators running, but the fuel for them is running out.
This is advanced Israeli diplomacy, I guess. :rolleyes: j)
Look. The people voted for Hamas. Hamas has long had a policy, written down no less, that they are committed to the destruction of Israel. The elected Palestinian Authority has chosen to look the other way while attacks are occurring on Israel, taking no substantive steps to supress the legitimate terrorists within their own lands.
The people, by voting in Hamas, have given their approval to their ideology. They have spoken, and the people who they have chosen to speak for them are terrorists. Whether you like it or not, the people of Gaza are complicit in their own destruction. And that’s too bad, because within every group lies non-representative members, and now some of them will suffer for the judgment of the rest.
All the Palestinians had to do to stop this was give the guy back. One guy. But no, they can’t do that. Too bad for them.
And at “the deep heart’s core” there’s no real and important difference among Palestinians, Jews, Iranians, Egyptians, Americans, Germans, Russians, Japanese, Chinese, Venezuelans…
Do women seem to intuitively know this more than men?
I don’t have any trouble seeing both sides in the Arab-Israeli conflict. Why do so many of you see it as a black and white issue?
Nope. Don’t buy it. Not a justification for killing innocents. You can make the same bullshit rationalization for attacks on American civilians. Americans elected Bush. Bush is a terrorist. Therefore Americans are responsible for whatever happens to them.
You can use the same logic for justifying suicide bombings against Israelis if you really want to.
Yes you can. So? I’d like to think that you can tell the difference between the two, but given your history of willful ignorance in this regard I’m not entirely sure that you can.
I’ll see your :rolleyes: and raise you a :dubious: and a :smack: .
The correct answer to attacks targeted against civilians and terrorists kidnapping soldiers is not to negotiate with terrorists.
What form of ‘diplomacy’, exactly, would you like to see Israel offer a group whose only stated goal is the destruction of Israel as a state and the genocide of Jews the world over? What compromise? “Okay… you can kill half of us, but you have to leave the other half alone.”
Should we have played patty cake with Bin Laden, too?
How many of those other folks you mentioned have, time after time, even in times of peace, affirmed and applauded the deliberate murder of civilians? I am unaware of anywhere else that has celebratory displays of pizza parlors strewn with the wreckage of human body parts.
The fact of the matter is that hate, and specifically anti-semitism, is part of a process of indoctrination in many of the Arab cultures. The Palestinan’s Charter, itself, is a document calling for a war of extermination. Yes, there was once a resolution to change it (for PR reasons) but the articles which were particularly odious were never expunged, never ammended, never changed.
Cultural relativism is all well and good, except when you have to look at the fact that there is an organized campaign of hate and murder among all strata of one group, and not in others.
Have you finally lost your mind? Comparing Bush (and by your comparison the entire Congress) to Hamas? Have you really gone so far over the edge that you see the two as exactly the same? Make whatever hay you will about sending the US military into combat, it’s not the same as strapping a bomb to a 7 year-old girl to board a commuter bus. At least not in the real world.
Also, I’ve been looking and I’ll be damned if I can find anything in the Constitution calling for the destruction of a race of people and their entire homeland. Writhe and gnash in your patented way about Iraw, but we’re not trying to wipe out the populace. Misguided as you may think, the goal is to create a state where the Iraqis can live independently and govern themselves.
The Israelis have been dealing with shit for over half a century. They tried peace talks, negotiations, sitting back and often just taking the shit thrown at them. Many times they’ve retaliated successfully. Maybe it’s just getting to the point that they realize winning the conflict of the week and backing off isn’t enough anymore. Maybe they’re starting to realize that an overwhelmingly crushing blow, sustained, is what it will take to make some learn to stop blowing up civilians.
The Palestinians in power are like a neighborhood bully. For years they’ll hurt and annoy until the adult steps in. They’ll go further and further, until finally those being bullied quit waiting for someone’s parent to step in and just take care of the bully themselves. Probably not the best worded analogy, but I trust everyone understands the general idea.
We’ve all known for decades this was likely to end badly. And now all the talk and speculation is coming to a head. I still hope the situation can be handled in some way to cool everything off. But it seems that even if that happens (again) it will only be a matter of time before we’re discussing this again. If ever this is going to be resolved by force, now is as probable as any other time. Even most of the most strident Hawks don’t want this to go nuclear. But it seems at some point this has to be taken care of once and for all. A winner-take-all if you will. Or it’s going to keep going and going and going and going…
Keep in mind my global influence is pretty much limited to posting here, so take it for what it’s worth. An opinion on the matter.