Reversal of the door-to-door salesman rant

I have never had a door-to-door salesman come to my house, but I’ve had the Army recruiters. I have no interest in the army, but I don’t think that means that I can be rude to them. I took their card and that was it.

20 seconds, tops. No rudeness. I think you have as much right to complain about people being rude to you as people have to complain about door-to-door salesmen. I wouldn’t feel sympathy for either one of you; being hassled is part of being alive. This thread got me thinking about one I wanted to write about my job.

You are nice - it’s people like you that kept me sane during my door to door experiences (political canvassing). I’ve gotten water, soda, lemonade, etc. etc. during hot summers.

The funny thing is most people were nice. A few people took offense at the politics, a few people just slammed the door, and a few people didn’t answer the door. But most listened, and said a polite “we’re not interested” before closing the door (those that didn’t sign and/or contribute, that is). Of course, some days /neighborhoods were worse than others, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Oh my god GMR, I used to have that song on tape and would sing it non-stop when I was in high school.

Good times.

:smiley:

The absolute best time to sing it is when you’re REALLY going slow in the ultrafast lane and the people behind you ARE really going insane…

Not that I’d know! :wink:

In a prior life, a very small part of my job included making unsolicited cold calls to people to see if they were interested in having an insurance salesman contact them for a quote on their home/auto insurance. I hated doing it.

I’m sorry to report rudeness abounded. Rudeness is simply not necessary. I really don’t understand people who can’t SAY no and those who can’t TAKE no as an answer. It’s a simple concept…NO. It doesn’t have to be rude or even impolite. It’s just NO.

As for the OP, my immediate “No Thank You” response does not necessarily just mean I’m not interested in your product. I am saying, “No, thank you but I’m not interested in even HEARING about you or your product. I’m perfectly happy in my own little life and right now you are invading it.” I’m polite, but firm. No door slamming, no hostility.

To those of you that are mean-spirited to these unsolicited, unwelcome interruptions to your day, try to take a breath. It’s not a crime against humanity to knock on your door. Use that negative energy to make a positive change in the world. It’s just not worth increasing your blood pressure over a small hiccup in your routine.

Advertising is advertising, whether it’s in the form of a knock on your door, junk mail, a telephone call or the 642 television commercials for every hour of “quality” programming. Getting all riled up over someone trying to sell you something is just not worth it.

Hey, if acting rude to a solicitor is enough to finally make them give up and get a respectable job, I’d definetly call that a positive change in the world.

I like unsolicited calls and door to door salespeople. It gives me a chance to mess with their heads :slight_smile:

A pair of 20-something Mormons came to our door telling us about their church, and I asked them what proof there was that their religion was correct while every other one wasn’t. They gave me some party-line canned answer that I don’t even remember, but I said that I wanted PROOF. Proof that would convince a totally unbiased 100% rational robot. They were stumped, and had to resort to making an appeal to faith or some such nonsense, and I asked them what reason there was to have faith in Mormonism than any other christian sect or bhuddism or even faith in Atheism.

After about 30 minutes of this, they just left. Quietly.

When presented with telemarketers, I usually try to hit on the female ones. “What are you wearing?” works well. I figure that if they want to invade my privacy, I am free to invade theirs. Also ask them if they have any children, what their favorite foods are, etc.

Once I had a strange conversation in which I kept asking them personal questions, and she kept trying to tell me about this long-distance plan. This went on for about 15 minutes before she gave up.

Another time I just started speaking French to the person, after having already spoken English to answer the phone. The guy kept saying “I know you speak English!” I kept saying (in French) “I will buy your product if you can speak to me in this language.” Oh I thought that was very fun :slight_smile:

So, what’s the point? Other than the fact that I have too much free time, I view unsolicited salesmen and calls to be a chance at some entertainment (and free entertainment at that). Beats the heck out of watching TV :slight_smile:

BTW, a Doper actually bought something from one of them?? :eek:

As has been pointed out already in this thread, this sort of sales technique is rude in and of itself. The amount of annoyance and aggravation caused by cold-calling peoples’ residences far outweighs whatever good comes from the products sold.

When you say that “rudeness is simply not necessary,” you are correct. These invasive sales techniques are not necessary.

As far as the victims being rude in return, it is not necessary but it is certainly justified. And it does serve a purpose of discouraging further victimization in the future.

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Look, I have a very busy life and yesterday I was trying to catch up on my sleep and TWO telemarketers woke me up. I finally took the phone off the hook which worked fine but made it so Mrs. Lucwarm wouldn’t be able to contact me in an emergency. Can you understand how annoying that is?

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Nor is it a crime against humanity to slam the door in someone’s face. You gives, you gets.

Army recruiters going door to door? Now, that one I have NEVER seen. Although Young Tiger was stalked (by phone) by a Marine recruiter for a year and a half (till the guy finally got transferred out of our area) because the first time he called, Young Tiger was too polite to hang up on him quickly and let him keep talking. I think he learned a valuable lesson that day. <evil leer> Around here, the recruiters just contact kids starting in their senior year of high school by phone or mail.

I’ve only been intentionally rude to one door-to-door salesperson, the guy who started screaming angrily at me when I told him (a) I had a No Soliciting sing up that he’d ignored, (b) I wasn’t interested anyway, and © I never buy from door-to-door salesmen. Which actually was far more explanation than he deserved. I was afraid I was going to have to call the police before he finally let my property.

Oh, I do that too! I love changing languages, too! Switching from French to German is so much fun.

I do not come to your company’s offices, sit around in my bathrobe, and struggle with getting my life in order.

Please do not come to my apartment and attempt to sell me things.
Witnessing-I still have some of the Cthulhu pamphlets I printed out a few years ago as part of a R’yleh cultist costume. These do the job.

Neighborhood kids-If they’re notifying the neighborhood of raking, mowing, gutter cleaning, or snow shovelling, services, fine. That’s what neighborhood kids are supposed to do. Since we entered the pc age, I’ve even seen kids just print out chore prices and contact information and leave the sheets on the porch.
Candy etc-I explain politely that I’m broke. Too nice a response won’t get them to leave. Too nasty a response makes the all the local PTA members mad at you.

Military- Hasn’t happened to me. I’d simply explain that though I support our troops, I’m section 8. Depending on my impression of the person, I may invite them in for a cold drink or to use the head.

Good! The more pain that obnoxious, intrusive salesmen are forced to suffer, the less willing people will be to become obnoxious, intrusive salesmen.

My apartment complex has a very clear NO SOLICITING sign at the entryway, but I’ve had salesmen (including religious sorts) ignore that and come barging up to my door.

I have no way to distinguish between some burglar casing out my apartment and some sales guy who selectively can’t read, so I’m more likely to say ‘get the hell away from my door’, then call the police to report someone who appears to be casing the neighborhood for burglaries.

Respect is earned, not given.

So are rapists and burglars, and they also knock on people’s doors during the day despite no soliciting signs.

You don’t earn any respect from me by trying to dictate what other people are allowed to do in their own house right before telling you to go the Hell away. No one is obligated to follow Jonmarzie’s Rules of being sick, and you’ve just guaranteed that the next salesman who ignores the no soliciting sign around here will have a bad day.

Since people still take such jobs, it’s obvious that there is still a need to make the job shittier.

Making the lives of telemarketers, door-to-door salesmen, and so on as much of a living hell as possible is a ‘right’, not a ‘wrong’ since it discourages people from going into the field.

Obviously you didn’t hate it enough to stop doing it.

Then why did you take a job as a telemarketer? Telemarketing is like the god of rudeness incarnating himself into a sales technique.

It’s not a crime against humanity to treat assholes with the same amount of kindness they show other people.

No doubt I’ll be flamed for this post:

It is a job. Albeit a job that many dopers would not choose to have, but it is a job, nonetheless. I have more respect for a person who takes a potentially nasty position than one who sits on their ass.

If this is such a terrible profession, why do we send our children out as missionaries for sales of candy, magazines, or some other school driven profit maker. If you allow your kids to do it, an equal measure of courtesy should be afforded the adult doing what your kids do. Would you want someone to be discourteous to your children? Then espouse that ethic.

My first job was selling door to door subscriptions for the local paper. I was courteous and most folk responded with a similar candor. Some were evil-a learning experience.

Over the years, I’ve learned that everything involves sales. If I’m servicing a product, I can suggest sell something else, if that is beneficial to you. If called to service something, and you’d be better off replacing it, I need to sell the concept.

Two years of my life were spent in commercial sales. One was repping automotive diagnostic equipment to garages and dealerships in West Philly and the main line. My goal was to improve shop profitability, and shorten repair time while increasing accuracy of repair diagnosis. To you the consumer-that means a lower repair bill.

The next was back in the security industry, seeing how I could save a company money on their burglary, fire, CCTV, or access control system, or at least improve service for the same dollar spent.

I’ve cold called thousands of businesses in Southeast PA, and submit that everything you own, everything you purchase, is the result of a sales event, be it direct sales, subliminal brand identification, recommendation, or some event that planted a seed deep within your brain causing you to choose brand x.

Now that I am a constuction/remodeling company owner, I still sell. Products, service, installation-all of it is sold. When incoming work runs lean, I cold call.

Not every salesman is the archetype of Willy Loman. Men and women every day earn their living through sales, are working, and contributing, via taxes paid on their earnings, to the collective good.

'Nuff said.

But she did. It was ‘in a previous life.’ I also quit, and so did Jonmarzie.

Well, Ruby said that telemarketing was only a small part of her job; who knows what the rest was. I took my job because there simply was nothing else. I finally left when I got a summer job in a different country.

It’s a low-pay, no-status, soul-destroying job (even without the rude callers); do you really think people would take the job if they didn’t have to?

I understand if you’re not interested in buying from door-to-door salesmen. So JUST SAY NO! If the salesperson then gets aggressive or harrasses you (like a couple of instances cited in this thread), then yes the salesperson is an ‘asshole’ and deserves to be treated as such.

But that’s a long way from ‘making the lives of telemarketers […] as much of a living hell as possible.’ That is seriously fucked-up.

“Rude callers” is incorrect; you mean “people who responded to you with some rudeness, but less than you inflicted on them”. Doesn’t sound quite so terrible when you’re honest does it? And again, it’s clear that it’s not soul destroying enough because people will still choose to go into telemarketing.

If your voice is understandable enough to work telemarketing, it’s good enough to work a phone sex line. Therefore, anyone taking a telemarketing job is doing it only out of preference and not the life or death struggle telemarketing defenders always make it out to be.

The no solicitation sign JUST SAYS NO, though I shouldn’t even need to have it. Anyone who ignores it and starts harassing me deserves whatever they get.

Any door to door salesman who ignores a ‘no soliciting sign’ is being agressive and harassing. So is anyone like the OP who has the sheer audacity to tell someone that they’re wrong for not following his sick day procedures when answering the door in their own home.

All telemarketers are aggressive and harassing and deserve any and all abuse that gets heaped at them, especially since every single telemarketer that’s posted to this board has admitted that they will not end the call if someone says “No thanks, I’m not interested.” If you make a living being rude, then all of the whining about people being rude back is absurd.

??? Where?

Oh yes, be horrible to the 16-yr-old cold caller, you might just encourage her to take up a job in the sex trade, you’re doing such a service to humanity! :rolleyes:

I agree, if you have a ‘no solicitation’ sign, then you should not be called on. I only made this mistake a couple of times when I didn’t notice the sign quickly enough and then they just didn’t answer the door - again, fair enough. Just what do you mean by ‘deserves whatever they get?’

Agree, and to add to what Riboflavin said, making cold calls at peoples’ residences, whether in person or by phone, IS aggressive and harassing.

If you REALLY want to solicit people in a way that’s not aggressive and harassing, just send them a letter with information about your product and provide a number for them to call you if they’re interested.

In every thread about telemarketing where people who have worked as telemaketers talk about their hangup procedures. Hell, prove me wrong - find one who says “why gosh, yes, if a person said no once, we’d hang right on up and stop bothering them!”

And how many 16-year-olds are actually working to put food on the table and not for a little extra spending money?

The sex trade is far, far more reputable than the scamming and harassing trade that your hypothetical starving-but-for-telemarketing 16 year old is already involved in.

Yeah, right - “Quickly Enough”? Did people have robotic signs that would peek out, then duck back behind the bushes? Or did you just engage in criminal trespass in a form that’s unlikely to be prosecuted for?

That they deserve all of the rudeness the OP was whining about heaped back on them. That they deserve an afternoon being interrogated by the police to ensure that they’re not casing the neigborhood. That they deserve to be brought up on charges if they refuse to leave after being told to or if they do more than breifly knock or ring the doorbell. And so on.