What do y’all think of Killing Eve? I watched Season 1, didn’t like it enough to watch Season 2. But with my TV queue empty I watched Season 2. Can’t decide whether I like it or not. I think not.
But mentioning Killing Eve is just my excuse to post the following question/comment in Cafe Society. I didn’t know whether GD or IMHO was best suited, but the theme I describe may be a Hollywood invention more than reality, so I’ll post here.
In one of the final Killing Eve episodes. Eve plops into bed with a young man (who had not been particularly “coming on” to her), more or less insisting that he f**k her. In the morning, when the guy wants to cuddle and discuss their relationship, she’s indifferent and orders him to fetch coffee.
Had the genders been reversed, I think this would be a shocking example of misogyny. Viewers would be outraged to see the hero depicted as so callous toward a woman. But when female Eve does this, I think we’re supposed to admire her — she’s “tough” like a man. I don’t think this episode of Killing Eve is unique — other movies and TV dramas present similar scenarios.
Am I interpreting this correctly? What do others think?
1.) I have watched the first two seasons of Killing Eve, but am pretty “meh” about it. It is a decent way to kill time, but nothing about it doesn’t seem like generic “spies and multiple levels of conspiracy” stuff.
2.) You know, there is a term for the opposite of misogyny–misterogyny. Nothing about Killing Eve ever struck me as misterogynistic.
Is that really a cutesy term in use, or just a little joke? I know “misandry,” though – I thought it was a reasonably common term, at least among people like SDMB readers (apparently, it shows up 161 times on a Google search of the board., though our search engine gives 183 hits.)
If this show were meant to be taken seriously I could see he OP’s point. It’s almost a send up of conventional spy thrillers where the protagonist is a man. How many times did we see James Bond dismiss or otherwise disrespect his female play things? I think we must also consider the voice behind it, that of Phoebe Waller Bridge. She is a writer with [del]absolutely no [/del] very few boundaries.
She’s a sociopath. Male or female, a major character like that in a show like this is going to do a lot of bad things. Singling out attitude towards the opposite (in this case) gender misses the point.
It’s like having a major beef with Norman Bates doing taxidermy.
Villanelle is the sociopath, Eve is the detective. It’s been a while since I saw this and don’t remember the scene but I expect septimus didn’t misspeak when he said “Eve”
Yes. Villanelle might have tortured the guy upside-down, rather than just sending him out for coffee.
But — remember the ambiguous title Killing Eve — Eve has “gone through some changes;” is she becoming -pathic herself? Is her relationship with Villanelle just hate-hate, or is it Love-Hate?
In the relevant episodeShortly after sending her lover out for coffee, she finds him stabbed and bleeding and in need of urgent medical care. She makes small effort to help, and ends up chasing the bad guy without calling 9-1-1 (or rather its Roman equivalent) .
But this is all tangential to my thread’s purpose, which was predicated on the assumption that Female dominance episodes (using the Killing Eve example ONLY for clarity), are commonplace nowadays in movies and TV. Is my assumption even true?
Can others help me think of examples OTHER than Killing Eve where such scenario(s) are present?
I won’t dispute that female dominance is more common in media now than it used to be. But I would suspect that it’s still less common than male dominance. We just don’t notice the male dominance, because we’re so used to it.
Say what? It’s a classic case of reversing the normal male-dominated practice. So rather than being reverse-sexism, it is intended to shine a light on classic sexist tropes itself. She’s acting as a male might in plenty of movies/television.
In this example anyway yes part of the point is that Eve is something-pathic herself. She was using him basically as a … tool … while she was being turned on listening to a sociopathic killer of her fantasies.
Do some shows make an effort to subvert the classic trope by reversing roles. I’d bet yes but don’t have any offhand.