Ricers, racers, and arrogant assumptions.

I am into Import Tuning.

For those of you that might not know about it, this is the hobby of taking smaller displacement cars, usually 4-cyl Japanese Imports and modifying them. The intention, of course, is to make them fast… and unique. This gets harder and harder to do as time goes by, because every 17 year old with a copy of “The Fast and the Furious” seems to view this movie as the holy grail of “how to make my car cool”.

You know, I hate that. The cars in that movie are nice to look at (to the Import Tuner aesthetic… sort of) but they are not speed demons.

See kids, the import world is split into two halves, those that go for show, and those that go for go.
A show car, a car that will win awards at the Import Showoff, or Hot Import Nights, or any of the other shows around the country, need things like oddly colored paint, chromed out engine bays, large rims, laser lights, fog machines and a 150db sound system to stand out. Cars like that, ugly as they may be to Joe Veeeight, are what the judges look for in our genre of car scene. Sure many of the mods serve no purpose, but neither did the chromed out engine of the 55 Chevy that grandpa drove when he was a kid, or the Candy Coat paint job that you put on your restored Plymouth Fury. It’s all part of the show, folks. Sure there are those kids who put a Supra wing on their Camry, and a 4" exhaust tip on a stock exhaust… you know what, we make fun of them too. Guys like that give the rest of us a bad name. But the majority of us, at least of the ones I know, try to do things with some taste and style.

The other half, the ones that go for speed, often have really ugly cars, but they are quick. However, just like much of the public, the people that run the race tracks in your neighborhood often won’t let them race their cars. They’re much to busy letting the guys with Mustangs and Camaro’s and other classic cars run. So many of us feel that the only way to test our machines is to race on the street. Being young and foolish isn’t restricted to just us though. Folks come down like a ton of bricks, but don’t seem to recall their own youth, where they did just as foolsih things. Street racing, dangerous as it may be, will never be eliminated.

Personally, I hate it. Street-racing is stupid, and dangerous. All the people in my club agree, and we don’t do it. It’s not worth the risk, nor is it worth the ticket. However, it would be nice to see the cops “crack down” on the domestic guys as much as they harass us. Half the time someone wants to race my friend and I, it’s a camaro that feels he needs to “show up” the Civic Si.

For the record, the 2 times we’ve taken such races, on deserted roads in non-residential, non-developed areas, we’ve won, hands down. Now we don’t do them, because, even in an abandoned street in the middle of nowhere, it’s still not safe.

But what really burns me is ignorant people that don’t know about he Import culture that just rag on us. Making fun of the cars, without knowing anything about them. the cops that bust us because our cars stand out. The track owners that won’t let us run because they’re 60 year old men who don’t think that you can get power out of a 4-cyl. The kid with the Civic VX, with an intake and a muffle who thinks he needs to race to try to prove soemthing.

Erg.

thansk for letting me vent folks. I’ll be here all night. Next show at 4am.

C’mon, it has to be possible to rent a track somewhere. I’m part of a Dutch car message board, and we do it all the time. With very strict rules for off-track behaviour, I might add.

The only thing that I really fail to understand about this “Dude, my car is so cool, just like in The Fast and The Furious” is why anyone in their right mind would put a wing on a front wheel drive car. Putting all that downdraft on the rear wheels must be real good for handling and quick steering maneuvers to avoid hitting the kids crossing the street!!!

Ok, I guess two things. Do they really think their car sounds cool if it sounds like a pissed off honey bee?

Ok, three things. Why do they forever feel compelled to take me on when I’m on my motorcycle? And do they cry when their ass is handed to them?

Like all things, there are professionals, and there are the “d00d, I’m l33t” crowd. Unfortunately, the intelligent are seemingly vastly outnumbered by the drooling masses. I personally don’t see the attraction to the whole import thing (and before you thrash me, I do ride crotch rockets). Most of the people I see driving them are kids - and where do they get all this expendable cash for JC Whitney purchases? - with their hats on crooked and plenty of severe acne.

If you’re going to tune a car to race, good for you and your love for your sport.

If you’re going to be a drooling little ass wipe that has to be cool like Vin Diesel, get a clue and realize you look like an idiot to those of us who have knowledge of physics and mechanics…

Cherrybomb- It has been shown that at extreme speeds, the rear spoiler on a FF car has helped to avoid wheel hop when shifting. Most of us will never hit those speeds, but the principal applies. Most V8’s won’t either. People laughed with Papadakis put wheelie bars on his drag car too, till it knocked a 1/4 second of his 1/4 mile times.

As for the rest of it, you’re pretty much preaching to the choir here. Most APC/JC Whitney products are a joke, but they lure the kids in with flashing lights and shiney things.

Most of us grow out of that…

Personally, I’m saving up for a supercharged 4ag-ze swap, but I’m an oddball.

I’m with CherryBomb… if your car can actually whup mine in a race (not that I’ve got a racing car by any stretch of the imagination, it’s just a big engine), go you. Kickass. Right on. Uh… “gnarly” (or has that word fallen out of vogue?). But if you drive up next to me with POS ‘85 Honda Civic with a wing that weighs more than you do and a freakin’ coffee can glued to the exhaust to make it look “kewl”, and it winds up that your car can barely break 60, I’m going to look at you with all the scorn that my SPOOFEy eyes can muster.

I have no desire to race. None. I HAVE had the pleasure of having some dick in a wannabe racer (with his bass turned up so loud his little POS looked like a vibrator) pull up next to me, put his automatic transmission into park and gun his engine (guffaw!), and then “peel out” (it was more like “fart out”) with such shitty acceleration that I just sat there and stared in amusement. Why didn’t I pull away? Because I had just driven past there ten minutes earlier, and knew that there was a speed trap a few hundred yards up the road. I cracked a smile as the Vin Diesel wannabe got pulled over, put on some Mozart, and drove the rest of the way home.

I was happy for a week.

It’s scenarios like that, Mr. Tristan, that result in the Import Tuning people getting very little respect.

Anyway, I was messing with you on the other thread. Except the part about sleepers. That is good advice anywhere at any time. If you were to think Camaros with blower stacks and flame paint jobs don’t get attention from cops, you would be wrong.

Believe it or not, I actually have respect for anyone who can get it down the track quickly. Anyone. Import, domestic, extraterrestrial. Since horsepower is torque times RPM, if you can do it with less torque, good job. Yes, I rag on kids who take mom’s car and add wings, body kits, a pipe and think they are John Force. Apparently you understand this. See, we have common ground.

Around here we have a racetrack that caters to imports and domestics. They have special nights for imports to race their four cylinder hearts out. For ten bucks you can race all night. Since this exists here, I can’t imagine a situation where they do not let you race where you are. Of course, me not imagining it has no bearing on your reality. Orlando Speed World: another reason to move to Florida.

At one time the import folks were congregating on the Greenway (a limited access toll highway) and racing in the wee hours of the morning. Several import racers wrecked while racing on the streets within the last year - just in this town. So, based on the facts as I have read them, there was a problem with some of the import folks behaving irresponsibly.

As for what I see when I am driving, ah, sorry. It does not look good for the import racers. I see lots of impromptu street races in inappropriate places. This is a local thing. I am not saying all import racers do this. But, despite the track being available, many of them do - in my neighborhood.

One died several nights ago about two miles from here. He was going approx. double the speed limit when he hit a fourteen year old in another car. Once again proving, you cannot be too careful. Speed freaks and illegal drivers, not a great combo.

To be fair, we have had one Z and a couple stangs’ do the same thing. But, the imports seem to be killing a lot more people. Therefore, the cops here - and I’m about as far from you or Houston as you can get - are doing the same thing. A huge crackdown on import (street) racers is in progress.

Anyway, I’m developing respect for the little imports that could. I’ve seen some really fast ones on Speedvision at the import drags. I’ve seen some fast ones at the track also. It costs a lot of money, time, and takes skill to make one really fast.

[sub]An LS-1 (approx. 310HP, 340TQ, 98-02, RIP) Z-28 runs low 13s from the factory, BTW. Many are, ah, not stock. So, I think grouping all Camaros in one category is not smart.[/sub]

Beagle:
Like so much in life, sweeping generalizations are usually a bad thing…

Tristan:
Again, if such technology is properly applied to vehicles for a certain performance gain in a controlled racing environment it is a beautiful thing. The rest of them are IMHO raging idiots.

I ride crotch rockets, and I have aftermarket goodies to boost my performance. I cannot at this time afford to get into track days (though I’d give my right eye tooth to be able to race), so I keep my bikes as close to stock looking as possible. This affords me being able to be distinguished from the squid that is doing stoppies and wheelies down the main drag. Go to Bandimere if you want to do that crap… Unfortunately for you, your choice of race car - and I’m assuming here that this is also your daily driver - stands out due to your modifications and gets you hassled. Maybe having a street car that doesn’t make you appear to be an ass would lessen your encounters with those of the law enforcement persuasion…