You couldn’t “know” it was God but you believed it was God and that is a big difference. In my beliefs we are all part of existence (More than just the universe) so I can understand the feeling of oneness. If you choose to believe it was God I would not discourage you, if that gives you peace then so be it. In my beliefs God is not “a” being but being(what ever exists).
To most spiritualists like myself God is the sum total of all existence. We are a part of God that contains the whole of God as in holigrams. When we experience God we experience the Oneness or wholeness of creation of which we are a part. Yes, we can know when that happens and it brings the peace that passeth all understanding. It also brings knowledge, love, compassion and healing.
If god is unable to act on anything or care about anything, why do you hold it in such reverence?
Also, if god is the sum total of all existence, why don’t you say that it brings stupidity, hate, illness and death? Would you agree that those unpleasant things are part of our existence?
Thank you for your kind words, but I do have two legs to stand on. The arguments I have presented are not all mine. Most of them come from scientific research done at a number of Universities. I don’t think these Universities would be spending the money to do the research if they didn’t feel the results of the research were real, and valid, not to mention valuable to our understanding of ourselves.
As for religion, your attack is similar to others on this board. I get the feeling you learned your hate for religion in school. Actually religion has a place in this world the same as you have a place. Religions have traditionally helped others throughout the centuries. Of course, there is a downside to everything, but nothing is all bad or all good. If you would read and learn about religion you would not be so fearful of them. Mostly they are people like yourself, trying to do good in the world.
Maybe he learned it at a University. A University that did not waste its money on things that are not real, valid, and valuable to our understanding of ourselves.
Seriously - you should not selectively appeal to the authorities of educational institutions and scientific research. It looks and smells like rank hypocrisy.
God is personified in the Masters and Avatars that have gone before us. They can and do act in our behalf when called upon.
Jesus was such a Master teacher, unfortunately the religion that grew up around Him now focuses on the worship of Him, and not on His teachings.
Yes, fear, the beginning of all negative emotions, is a part of our existence in the physical, but it doesn’t have to be. We can at any time change that into Love. Love dispels fear, and perfect love dispels all fear.
God does not want nor need our worship. Neither does God punish us in any way, we punish ourselves through our deeds and thoughts.
Probable more than you wanted, but it does help to explain my position.
Somehow lekatt seems to have jumped out of the discussion of the Reynolds timeline.
If lekatt won’t answer then let’s ask the crowd: in the account on the page lekatt linked do, doesn’t it sound like it is being implied that Reynolds was in that clinically dead period when, for instance, the bone saw is used on her skull?
Well guess what. She wasn’t. Page 42 of Light and Death tells the narrative thus that her skull was already opened before they even decided foor sure to DO the arrest proceedure. Here’s the quote: "The OR team followed Spetzler on the TV screen as he journeyed underneath the base of the temporal lobe, around the vein of Labbe, between the third and fourth cranial nerves, and to the neck of a giant basilar artery aneurysm. As feared, the aneurysm turned out to be, as Spetzler noted in his medical records, “extremely large and extended up into the brain.” **Hypothermic cardiac arrest would definitely be needed.
At 10:50 A.M. the cardiac surgeon and heart-pump technicians leapt into action…**"
In other words, at the time when Reynolds supposedly felt the bone saw and heard people talking, she was still ONLY under general anesthesia, not clinically dead at all. Furthermore, as if often not mentioned, her description of the bone saw as an “electric toothbrush” is interesting both because the tool was in fact quite similar to dentist drill machinery that was in use at the time (which also had interchangeable heads), and because, as even Sabom notes: her description of the tool was “puzzlingly” incorrect in regards to the specific details she recounts. There is, of course, also no way to prove that she never saw the implement prior to the surgery in any case.
I hesitate to even dip a toe into this pool of poo, but if there is a video of the surgery, how do we know that she didn’t see that video before whatever descriptions she was supposed to have given were made?
And considering she was having brain surgery, why can’t we suppose the already had some brain dysfunction that includes confusion and possibly hallucination?
I believe she recounted some of her experiences soon after waking up after 2pm, and was interviewed about them only a few days later. It’s probably quite unlikely that she was shown the tape in that time.
It is very difficult to “see” under any kind of anesthesia. The surgeon said in the documentary that he was puzzled at the accurate description of the bone saw.
Probably those interested in this case should read the material for themselves, I think you are trying to mislead the readers.
It is very difficult to “see” under any kind of anesthesia. The surgeon said in the documentary that he was puzzled at the accurate description of the bone saw. If there had not been an accurate description why would this be mentioned. They mentioned the abnormal things that happened, not the common things. Why are you distorting this so much?
Probably those interested in this case should read the material for themselves.
Incidentally, I received an email today from Pam wanting me to participate in some studies on near death experiences, of course, I will.
She could have seen the instruments in her prep video. She could have seen them on the table before they put her under. She could have seen them on Discovery Health. That doesn’t mean she had an NDE.