it is the perfect example of what happens to anything that gives any excuse for those parties to hijack with the crazy crankery of their obsessions and change anything touching on the female into let us talk about our lacking dicks.
Yep. Perfect example.
Agreed–but while you’re here, would you mind weighing in, even if it’s just to say you’re still thinking about how to handle this?
I will, of course follow your instructions, but isn’t discrediting a bad site a legit practice in ATMB?
Sometimes, sure, if it’s on topic. The topic of this ATMB thread is not, “Is circumcision a good thing or not?” As such, both cites arguing that circumcision is bad, and arguments rebutting those cites, are not appropriate here.
As has been pointed out, “Do not discuss this topic in this thread,” is not the same as, “Do not discuss this topic on this board.” If you want to discuss any of those topic, you are absolutely free to create a new thread for that purpose. While misogyny and misandry are both “the same thing” in that they are, broadly, about discrimination on the basis of gender, the actual expression of these concepts in society contains sufficient disparities that it is entirely possible to discuss one without reference to the other.
Nothing prevents OP from starting a thread whose premise is exactly his first sentence on this one, and where posts 11 and 15 are given as a supporting exposition for it. If the position of two posters here is that they will refuse to let pass any discussion on the related subject without turning it into a whataboutist argumentation, they can be admonished to not do it in the thread in question and to instead make one that litigates if there is or is not a difference and if that difference merits different treatment.
Is it? How many times are posters told “don’t hijack this thread; if you want to talk about something, start a new thread”. So the OP started a new thread, and still gets ripped and insulted for it?
If talking about circumcision in an FGM thread is a misogynistic hijack, is it a hijack to talk about FGM in a thread about double standards?
…if the OP got insulted here then I would hope that you have reported those insults: because insults are not allowed in ATMB. And the OP got “ripped” because the claim “Misogyny and misandry are the same thing” is just not supportable. They are literally different things. They are different by definition. They are different in the way that each are treated in society. Nobody has been elevated to “special victim” status. The OP presented a very poor case for what they are arguing and the argument has been treated accordingly by people responding in this thread.
Then there’s no need to post anything about misandry or circumcision in a thread where people are talking about misogyny or female genital mutilation. According to you, the subjects are the same so they’re already being discussed.
Well, the mod just said so, so yes, it is a hijack.
Heck, of course it’s a hijack.
And anyone who can’t tell the difference between misandry and misogyny is not living in the real world.
Cosigned. That behavior is indistinguishable from the behavior of someone intentionally trying to stir shit up. This thread indicates that Steophan does not intend to learn anything from that admonition. How much leniency does that deserve?
When people try to claim that mutilating infants differs in morality based on sex, “stirring shit up” is an appropriate response. When people try to silence people because of gender or any other immutable characteristic, “stiring shit up” is an appropriate response.
Start a thread on your thoughts about circumcision and don’t spend any more time in the FGM threads. This shouldn’t be too hard to understand. You’ll get better results and not get on the nerves of the mods and many posters. As it is your thread, you could choose to focus on both issues if you want or stay off the FGM, stay off of it and request others do also. Spell that out in the Op if that is your desire.
Does he not understand because he doesn’t want to understand, or because he’s somehow incapable of understanding? Either way, if we’re passing out topic bans, we seem to have a volunteer.
While infant (male) circumcision may be something not desirable, the far worse thing going on is FGM, so if you really want to get rid of circumcision supporting anti FGM is a good start.
Or just perhaps, countries that practice male circumcision but not FGM could ban that, then have a moral leg to stand on when pressuring others to ban FGM.
Someone in the UK or US protesting FGM is basically virtue signalling, as it’s banned in those countries already, if it was ever legal which I doubt.
As for supporting anti-FGM, I’ve never knowingly spoken to, online or in person, with anyone who doesn’t support it. There’s no real debate over it being wrong.
My problem is with the hypocrisy, so I started a thread about that. I’ve not (that I recall) posted in an FGM thread, the thread I was banned from posting in was a misogyny thread, and the ban was because I talked about hypocrisy, not circumcision.
I’m not entirely sure why you’re telling Steophan to start his own thread, in a thread he started.
You were apparently a distraction from the topic in the misogyny thread. Asking you & then ordering you to leave it was a reasonable response. You’ve been on this board for about 8 years according to your start date. None of this should be a big surprise.
Sorry about my confusion. You brought up the circumcision and FGM in this thread’s opening post.