Riddle...Any takers?

Ok…my psychology teacher was kicking himself today because he couldn’t figure this riddle out. While the answer can be arrived at by logic, there’s not a definant answer but rather an explaination which is hard to simplify. (Well…for me anyway) Here it is:

3 men go to check into a hotel. The guy at the counter tells them that it will be $30 for one room. The men decide to share a room, and split the cost evenly; that is, each man pays $10. Later into the evening, the “behind-the-counter guy” discovers that the room was actually $25, not $30, and immediately sends a bellhop to the room with $5. The bellhop realizes it will be difficult to split $5 three ways so he pockets $2, and gives each man back $1. This means that each man has now paid $9 in his share of the room instead of $10. However, $9 multiplied by 3 is $27. Adding in the bellhop’s pocketed $2, that makes a total of $29. So where’d the other dollar go?

While I know the basic idea of why this is so, I want to know if anyone has heard this riddle before and maybe has seen a simplified answer? Anyone else, give it a try!

Oh god. Not again…

This starts arguments around here. Just don’t ask about the three doors and the odds being 50-50 or 1 in 3 please…

[Homer Simpson]

“It’s a ring toss.”

[/Homer Simpson]

(Hint: You don’t multiply the numbers at the end. 30-5=25. 25+3=28. 28+2=30)

Try here:

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a910621.html

–sublight.

Haven’t you heard this one before? It is a fairly well-known example of false logic.

The key is in the two additions, which should be separate. The men indeed paid $9 each for the room, for a total of $27. However, one should not add the bellboy’s $2 to that amount, but subtract the $2 from the $27 to get $25, the actual amount charged.

Simplified:
Hotel keeps: $25
Bellboy keeps: $2
Man #1 keeps: $1
Man #2 keeps: $1
Man #3 keeps: $1
Total: $30

(25 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1=30)

The way the “riddle” is worded, you count the bellboy’s $2 twice and don’t count the three men’s $1 each ($3 total) at all.

I didn’t say anything about odds or doors! Seriously, I’m asking because I told my teacher I’d post it and see what people said. He was going nuts over this thing. I’m not trying to cause a problem…I’m just an innocent little girl! :wink:

For dpr’s sake guys…don’t get all bent out of shape over it…I’m just curious!

awesome…that’s what I’m looking for. See, I figured out the whole adding thing and the “false wording.” But the nature of logic problems is to have a more simple explanation and that’s exactly it. Thanks a ton. :smiley:

Glad to help.

(sigh of relief that I seem to have gotten it right, and so avoid the wrath of the collective SDMB)

Back when I had to do math for a living, someone told me this riddle, and it took me almost a full day and night to figure it out. I came apon the answer in bed, at 4 am while staring at the ceiling going insane from it.

Before I arived at the correct answer covered here, I also came up with this false answer.

Later that same night, Two more guys check into the same motel, are told the room is $30 and decide to split it by paying $15 each. Later the “behind the counter guy” realizes that he made the mistake again, and calls the bellhop back with another $5 in $1 bills. the Bellhop, now overcome with greed from the earlier money, takes three dollars and gives each of the two guys a dollar each.

so each man, having paid $14 times two, paid a total of $28 dollars, plus the three the bellhop kept makes $31. there’s yer extra dollar you lost earlier.

I realize that the same false logic applies here, but that one almost made my brain leave my head for good.

Sorry JaG, it’s just that some of the logic problems posted here have started wars (or at least minor revolutions).

I was scared… nothing personal…

Just A girl, you left out the most important part of the riddle.

The name of the hotel is The Gry Inn, which in itself answers at least one other question.

That’s pretty bad. I think the SD will never eradicate ignorance as long as this “riddle” keeps circulating.

This is because he’s adding together the wrong dollars.

The $27 that the guests paid for the room consists of the $25 that front counter has plus the $2 that the bellhop kept. To that, he’s re-adding the $2 that the bellhop kept. This doesn’t represent the total.

Or algebraically: Divide the $30 into three parts:
Let
A = Final charge for room ($25)
B = Amount that bellhop kept ($2)
C = Amount refunded to men ($3)

so A + B + C = 30

But the riddle is basically asking why:
(A + B) + B <> 30

Of course it doesn’t, because it doesn’t include C and it double-includes B.