Brandon Teena Not really a case of homophobia, the case isin’t even a hate crime. Not under the current definition of hate crime at least.
It seems that you equate reasonable explanation with justification. Pathros was trying to express his understanding of why they react the way they do, not justifying their reactions.
Not true. It was a case of homophobia, as well as a hate crime against a transgendered person.
It almost fits the definition of gay panic that some of the bashers of Shepherd and Gaither tried to claim. Except in this case, the assailants raped Teena the first time, and then killed her when she didn’t remain silent about it.
Theres no such thing as a hate crime against a transgendered person. It almost fits the gay panic, except for the fact that they raped Brandon “to prove that he wasn’t a man”. Which turns it from a hate crime into just murder.
Yes, there is such a thing as a hate crime against a transgendered person. It is in the FBI Hate Crime Statistics.
No, no hate crime against transgendered in the FBI statistics.
They are grouped in with the sexual orientation category.
And the transgendered are covered in many states with hate crime legislation, such as California.
From the FBI website at http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm
These crimes are not always reported as hate crimes, and thus the statistics on them are lower than the actual frequency.
What happened to Brandon Teena was a hate crime. What they did to her was because they considered her a freak. They committed their crime because they wanted to “teach her a lesson.” That is a hate crime.
Hate crime or not (and it sounds like one to me) it was a horrible, horrible thing. Whatever you call it.
It was a rape and murder. Oh my gosh. *RAPE AND MURDER. How can you get more hateful than that?
It might have had something to do with her taking advantage of some of the women she dated. It might also have had something to do with her pretending to be a male all that time. But then so far as I know a hate crime is any crime where X is even part of the motivation.
And before someone jumps down my throat, NO! I do not think there was any justification for what was done to Brandon Teena nor do I think there was any excuse. Furthermore I was very angry when I heard the Sheriff dismiss her charges of rape on that tape.
I’m not convinced that they would have raped her had she just been some random person they found out was transgendered.
Marc
I wasn’t aware that a hate crime could only happen randomly.
A hate crime is defined as someone being harassed, hurt or killed because of their actual or perceived religious beliefs, sex, or sexual orientation. (Are there more classifications?) They found out he was actually physically a woman, and that gave them their excuse to attack him. Their knowing him as a friend is irrelevant. Tell me, do you think they would have attacked him otherwise? This is what makes it a hate crime.
Esprix
I really don’t see what you think this proves. That some people think that shunning is a form of violence? I will certainly stipulate that. But just because some people have chosen to abuse language, that doesn’t justify the further corruption of the language. And BTW, “aggressively ignores” is an oxymoron.
Well, this certainly would give homosexuals rights, so the characterization of it as “gay rights” is justified, although misleading (since it implies that the bill gives rights only to homosexuals). I don’t see how gay rights are a bad thing, but if one believes that they are, then one would have a reason to vote against this bill.
MGibson, what is
other than being transgendered? Simply by existing Brandon decieved apparently. I don’t see how you can seperate “a random transgendered person” and that.
What I was trying to point out about the hate crime thing is that orientation does not cover being transgendered. Which is why gender is probably going to be added to the list.