Pretty much died? Did he or didn’t he die? I don’t know if I want to watch a long video where someone dies.
He didn’t, though that was his second televised brush with death.
Do you have a cite that Laura Bush was convicted of a misdemeanor?
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Shodan
Did Ted Kennedy ever publically apologize to her family? If he did that would give me a lot of respect for the man.
mswas, I have nothing in particular against you, but you seem to be on a crusade of antagonism recently. I have definite mixed feelings about Chappaquiddick.
- Yes, he walked away, but,
- He did try several times to rescue Kopechne himself, and
- there’s no guarantee that she could be rescued at all, given the time and distance to “official” help, BUT,
- I’ve always been uncomfortable with the lack of punishment, even self-imposed, that Senator Kennedy received. This was a human life. Her death, even if accidental and unavoidable, should have had consequences.
I think Duke may be conflating moving violations with misdemeanors.
In any case, the Laura Welch/Bush stop sign thing is totally irrelevant. She’s not a candidate or a holder of public office, so why the fuck should anyone care?
Was running a stop sign in Texas in '74 a misdeameanor? Now that you mention it, I’m not sure.
Edit: RNATB may have answered that for me.
How is this relevant? It’s undisputed that she blasted through a stop sign. The fact that she was not charged (for unexplained reasons), does not alter the actual facts of the accident or relieve her of her negligence.
Well according to the OP, this isn’t about Laura. Or about Ted. It’s about the victim(s) and how they’ve instantly been forgotten (when in fact they haven’t and won’t be).
The idea that it’s a crusade of antagonism is a bit overwrought. People get antagonized by the way I choose to act. I am not acting FOR them as antagonism implies. I am acting despite them.
I share your views on Kennedy pretty much.
Yes, Mary Jo Kopechne was an aid to his brother Robert. I guess she knew the family quite well.
I’d be interested if her parents are still alive, what they have to say about his death.
From that cite:
And now, 40 years later, with those qualifications and that thesis still unchallenged, you’re willing to rely on it, eh?
Even his version seems unlikely. Was he an on-call diver? Was it really likely that Kennedy could have gotten to a phone in ten minutes and gotten the diver there in 30 minutes? I don’t see it, and as I hinted before, if he had, you’d doubtless be complaining about how he didn’t even try to dive down himself, but left her to die.
In fact he did not die. As part of a television stunt, he sat in a car which was dropped into a tank of water and let to sink. Because small British car enthusiasts suitable for broadcast on television are a bit thin on the ground (it’s that last criterion that really narrows things down) the producers of the show took certain precautions to prevent his demise being broadcast to millions. Namely, they installed a diver with an air supply in the back seat of the car, in case Mr Hammond should need assistance.
Actually, that’s all a lie. The links aren’t to Top Gear at all, they’re to 2girls1cup. Click at your own risk.
With love,
TenebrasM7
Ted Kennedy faced a judge and an inquiry, as well as taking it on the chin in the court of public opinion. Even on the day of his death this albatross still haunts him. He expressed about as much regret, as one man could, in one lifetime.
Laura Bush never received so much as a ticket or wrap on the knuckles for taking a life with her car.
Anyone ever hear so much as a whisper of regret from Laura?
You’re right they’re like apples and oranges, what were we thinking?
Yeah, I was regularly shitting my pants 40 years ago. :eek:
Here’s a scanned article from 1969 where the diver claims he was “at the victim’s side” 25 minutes after he got the call. There’s also the fact that Ted had to walk past 4 other houses to get back to the party where his friends were, including one within sight of the bridge, so a phone call to police within 15 minutes of the accident is certainly within the realm of possibility.
Nobody is attempting to relieve her of responsibility, yet plenty of people here want to ignore Kennedy’s post accident behavior based on the fact that Mary Jo was probably dead anyway. Yeah, she was probably dead, and the diver was probably wrong, and Ted was probably not drunk off his ass.
Mary Jo was someone’s little girl, and I don’t care if she was most likely dead or not, you don’t leave and go back to your hotel room. Nobody deserves to get left for dead in a car because the guy who caused the accident wanted to get some sleep.
Bricker, if Kennedy had dived down for her, then stopped at the first house to call the police for help, and waited for the police at the accident site, I wouldn’t have a single problem with any of his post accident actions. It’s not that hard, you try to save her (he claims he did) if you can’t, you call for help. Simple.
Compare that to the ridiculous set of post accident choices that suspiciously/coincidentally result in nobody other than Ted and his buddies knowing about the accident until the next day. Nobody called the police, nobody told anyone else, and Ted spent the night at his hotel.
Was Laura in the public eye at the time of the accident? How do you know she didn’t apologize? I mean maybe Kennedy did so privately.
Just as I have steadfastly defended Senator Kennedy, I will point out that the future Laura Bush also had an ACCIDENT. She had no intent to kill anyone, and could not have been charged with killing anyone merely because a death resulted from running a stop sign.
Accident. Nothing criminal about it.
Childless people who didn’t die in car wrecks are in the same boat as Mary Jo. What’s your point?