Hmm
I posted the last before reading this:
Quote da ra rjung
“Directly? No. But I’ve spent most of my entire adult life designing weapons and battlefield systems to keep folks like Doors alive out there, so I know what kind of issues are involved. It wouldn’t surprise me if Airman Doors has used at least one radio, weapon, or C3I system in his career that I’ve had a hand in somewhere…”
Sorry if I sounded like I felt you have never served your country. We all do what we can.
Don’t be fooled, all those defense contractors are only out to serve themselves, waiting for the correct time to make their bid for power and establish a government based on total enlightenment and virtuous behavior. HEADED BY AN EVIL ROBOT.
And you of all people should know that this,
“instead of taking it easy dropping bombs from 35,000 feet”
Was just plain hatefull.
I’m really sorry if I have misunderstood you but this makes it sound like if you haven’t been involved in the military you have not served your country and therefore deserve less respect.
Back to the OP I find rjung and Airman Doors to both be interesting thread posters to read, if its any consolation to either of you the appallingly bad options offered to the British voter from all parties have united the entire country. At least you both care about your political leanings…I have lost all hope, I may well run for PM as in the current climate I may well win.
No, it’s not… me calling you a total idiot is being hateful.
Nah, it turns out the Illuminati are behind it all. Using their black helicopters to promote their evil one-world government. I heard it on AM radio, so it must be true- right?
Seriously, Airman Doors, USAF I think you were a bit over the top with the “one-trick pony” stuff. See the case of Pot vs Kettle, ect. Don’t make me turn the power of the all-powerful liberal media on you now.
Hmm stroking chin mischievously
The USSR collapses and the US military-industrial complex is left without a bogeyman to milk. Wayward US puppet Saddam eyes Kuwait jealously. Bush I tells Saddam not to bother us about Kuwait, he invades but instead of taking care of business we install a huge military presence in Saudi Arabia of all places, said presence irritates Osama bin Laden, ObL expresses irritation with 9/11 attacks (which makes Bush I directly responsible for 9/11 - in a “butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon” sort of way) … meanwhile the military-industrial complex gets to milk its new bogeyman Saddam for over 12 years, before culminating in an orgy of destruction, profit, and the possibility of 4 more years of dynastic succession and tax breaks for the wealthiest one percent.
This is fun but I think the details need more work on the blackboard.
Uh, rjung, please leave me out of the discussion. Lord knows he gets enough attention from both me and Aaron.
Robin
Aaron is, of course, thier child. So wipe that smirk off your face this instant!
Gee MsRobin, don’t you know he “didn’t really mean it”…just like he “didn’t really mean” the comments about Doors being like a “mindless flag-waving steroid-swilling thick-necked jingoistic zombie.”…and “I don’t really believe it either” about the government theory he tossed out for kicks earlier.
FWIW, I don’t have a hamster, much less a dog in this fight.
The kind of posters who toss out crackpot ideas or insults…and then swiftly back away with a Triumph the Insult Comic Dog-like “I keed” are really getting old with me.
Seriously! I don’t understand why anytime somebody feels the need to go up again Airman Doors they drag Robin into it.
Enough already.
I know he’s not being serious, but at the same time I don’t have a dog in this fight, either. Hence my desire to stay the hell out of it.
Robin
This is excellent, but I think you need to work Reagan into it somehow.
I thought your birthname was “Rodimus Jung” … My bad!
You know, I would like to see Airman and rjung meet in real life, maybe throw a few punches at one another, then go out for a beer or something.
I know, but that’s the impression I’ve gotten from the Marines I’ve talked to – “We’re the ones down in the mud and the shit getting things done, while the flyboys are playing ‘Top Gun’ and thinking they’re the heroes.” I have yet to meet a Marine who’d consider any non-Marine to be an equal.
Me, personally, just figure everyone does what they can to help out. But that would have broken the joke. 
Nah, I’m supposed to be one of those limp-wristed cowardly liberal types, remember?
Steel Cage Death Match! Sunday Sunday SUNDAY!!
(I’m rooting for limpy-wristy liberal…'Course, I’m betting on the other guy…)
Well, have at it. At least one of us will have the opportunity to learn something here, since rjung shows no interest in doing so.
Oh, and rjung, that rainbowing of my screenname was very clever. I get the implication, and unfortunately I can’t keep myself from rising to the bait. Just wanted to let you know that I appreciate the effort you went to, and it will be returned at my earliest convenience.
Except you really didn’t mean anything by it, did you? Once again I’m getting more out of something than is really there, right?:rolleyes:
This deserves to be addressed. I’d say that you’re pretty dead on, on both points. I can honestly admit that I am simple, things for me tend to be black and white. I’m coming around to the gray area, but for me that’s like unlearning 25 years worth of stuff. I face everything head on, with the sincere belief that anything worth doing is worth doing 100%, and everything else is wrong-headed and stupid. So it’s safe to say that coming here has been a learning experience.
I also, strangely enough, think rjung (and his “comrades” elucidator and Reeder, among others) are probably nice guys. But even so, one can only get clubbed over the head so many times by someone before they snap, nice guys or not. And rjung, of all people, had the audacity to try to renege on an absolutely inane statement, which when taken in aggregate with the rest of his stuff just put me over the edge.
Obviously, there’s something between you two that I’ve never picked up on till now. Just being Mr. Oblivious, I guess. That doesn’t really matter to me.
But I’m going to defend the “inane statement”, assuming it’s still the same one as in the OP, once more. I interpret it as saying “Before the first gulf war, the U.S. was attempting to manufacture a causus belli for war, in order to seize the Iraqi oil fields.”
It is hardly farfetched to believe that a nation is actively trying to promote a causus belli in order to sieze something that they want. I could probably litter this pages with literally hundreds of cites showing that in action. Even in our not so recent history, we’ve done it. Spanish-American War, anybody? So as far as I’m concerned, that takes the statement out of the loony category.
What makes it farfetched is that I believe anyone who thinks Bush the Elder would have anything to do with such a scheme is flat out wrong. I don’t like him, I didn’t vote for him, but I have respect for him. I don’t think he would do anything of the sort, and that is why I believe rjung’s statement was farfetched, and mistaken, but not looney.
And I’ll leave my opinions of Bush the Younger out of this. OK, I’m done.