They are quite clearly connected. If the “them” in the second sentence doesn’t refer to the “someone” in the first sentence then the second sentence has no context and makes no sense at all.
Well, golly gee I asked him if he was a racist, and he said “No”! So, there you go. Hey, he even has some friends who are black! Shows how wrong you were!
Stop playing stupid games.
He’s simply mocking yours.
Now let’s be fair. lance has clearly established in this thread the level of “credibility and integrity” he should be credited with.
It quite obviously isn’t. Read again:
Emphasis added.
I’m not playing a stupid game. Just ask me!
We have different interpretations. Reasonable people can disagree.
What you don’t seem to understand is that I think he didn’t mean to write it the way he did.
Here is my test for whether something is obviously racist or not:
If you heard that someone at a convention somewhere threw peanuts at someone and said “this is how we feed animals” and you did NOT know the victim was black, would you say, “hmm, that sounds racist, I wonder if the victim was black?”
I wouldn’t, and I don’t think anyone else would either. It’s just not that closely associate with racism. If it had been watermelon thrown and someone called an ape, we’d all know it was a racist attack. But this is not clear enough.
I have my credibility. When I make a charge of racism, it’s not done lightly. You guys can do what you want.
Well, for some people to see racism, I guess they just need to be hit in the stomach with a flagpole. Sometimes racists drag people behind their trucks or wear hoods. Other times they just call them names.
At least you can see some of it. I guess that’s a positive.
Definitely RACIST. Not only is it unseemly to call anyone an animal, A “beast” harkens back to the 19th century idea that African Americans and people of color were “sub-human” hence, an animal.The proof, they point to the bible, all decendents of Noah’s son Ham, thought to be dark skinned, were cursed due to Ham’s devience. So if you have biblical proof of someone not being quite human you can justify slavery as just and necessary.
The camera operator was a black female. I don’t think there’s any doubt about it being racist.
Oh you’re good. :dubious: I think I’m starting to like you. I’ve never seen someone explore the fine semantic definitions between apes and animals. Of all the defenses I thought you’d try, I never would have imagined that you’d come up with that one. Truly, it takes a mind already saturated by GOP propaganda, soaking in it like a sponge in the ocean, to come up with that line of defense. Bravo!
And sometimes people see racism when it’s not there. Do you deny that?
So it’s important to make sure you get it right, either way.
Not being psychic is among my (few) failings. So yes, I didn’t understand that, since you didn’t say it… especially since you referred to your interpretation of “what he said”, rather than what he meant to say.
So now calling someone an animal is an obvious, undeniable racial slur indistinguishable from calling them an ape. Great.
Like I said, I don’t make accusations of racism lightly. You can if you want, but that hurts your credibility.
Without access to the minds of the people who threw the peanuts, all we can do is work with the evidence we have. Sorry, but calling someone an animal is not undeniable, obvious evidence of racism. Far from it. And to say so is good for the cause of fighting racism, because if you make false accusations of racism, they hurt your credibility. The right-wingers already use that - they call it “playing the race card” and belittle accusations of racism, even when they really are obvious.
Unseemly?
No, according to you, it is always racist.
You have made a great argument that it COULD be racist (which is already obvious). Not that it definitely was.
Is it possible to call someone an animal without it being racist? yes or no?
Yes, you’ve swallowed it whole…
Of course it’s possible. The reason nobody here is willing to give these people the benefit of the doubt is that nobody can think of any other reason why they might have meant something else.
Sorry, that’s not an argument.
Are you accusing me of racism?
If so, let me know so I can put you on ignore.
That’s true.
As a Democrat, I get awful mad when Republicans accuse me of things based on their bias against Dems. So I give them the same respect.