You obviously don’t get that some kinds of crazy do include irrational acts, such as taking out others on one’s own way out of life. If a person’s not responsible for his own actions, then he is, obviously, not responsible for those actions.
Yes, he could have easily committed suicide without harming others. That’s known as a rational appraisal of the situation. You and I are, I hope, rational and thus wouldn’t consider offing ourselves in the first place, let alone killing others along with us.
But, hey, it’s much more fun to let one’s emotions run amok instead of attempting to realize what actually happened. Let’s condemn, condemn, condemn without all the facts. Once the facts are in, then, of course, we’ll move onto the vigilantism discussion that’s sure to pop up.
"Robert Dellinger, due in Grafton Superior Court at 9 a.m. for a plea hearing, likely will plead guilty to two charges of negligent homicide in the deaths of 24-year-old Amanda Murphy, who was eight months pregnant, and her fiancé, 29-year-old Jason Timmons, defense attorney Peter Decato said. Dellinger also is expected to plead guilty to second-degree assault in the death of the fetus.
The maximum penalty for negligent homicide, a Class A felony, is 15 years, while the maximum penalty for second-degree assault is seven years. Dellinger, 54, originally faced two second-degree murder charges, which each carried a maximum penalty of life in prison without parole."
Just to round this out, the deal is 4 1/2 - 10 years for negligent homicide for each of the adults, consecutively, and a suspended sentence for the assault (death of the fetus).
“Dellinger should have consented to medical help when a 911 call was placed from the Dellinger residence a couple of days before the crash.” I wish he had!
Suicide is NOT always a “mental health issue”. No matter how comforting it is to have that little “factoid” handy so you can file “Oh - a suicide. I don’t need to think about that - it is just mental illness”, and never have to examine the issues about what happens to cause a completely normal person to kill themselves.
'Cause - THAT is a scary thought.
So we just say “mental illness” and move on…
WAKE UP - suicide can be the most rational thing a person can do.
It may be very rare that a suicide is the result of rational thinking, but it can happen.
Mull that over while trying to get to sleep tonight.
No, you mean you’re using it to be a jerk to a number of other posters with the following comment.
That’s completely dishonest. You’re making up pure bullshit and saying that’s what other posters say and do. That is not the case. Nobody at all said that there is no need to examine the causes, the issues, surrounding suicide.
Well, the only problem I’m having getting to sleep is from the severe cold I have. It’s certainly not from what you pretend I say or pretend I think.
You’re a jackass. And I’m not saying any of this to defend the person who killed others. I’m saying that because of your evident attitude towards other posters and, simply, the bullshit you’re pretending those other posters have said.
When suicide is genuinely a rational decision that the effort of continuing to live is not worth the downside, e.g., for a terminally ill person in severe pain, I see nothing at all scary about the prospect of somebody suffering in such a situation deciding to kill themselves.
Who are these people whom you’re imagining to be so intimidated by the thought of suicide that they’re scared even to examine or analyze the causes of suicide?
AFAICT, most adults not impaired by mental illness are not scared of the prospect of suicide because we simply aren’t experiencing the kind of mental and emotional pain that undermines our natural enjoyment of, and engagement in, being alive. And people who are in that kind of pain are more likely to be tempted by the thought of suicide than frightened of it.
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WAKE UP - suicide can be the most rational thing a person can do. […]
Mull that over while trying to get to sleep tonight.
Nice try. you piece of trash. In my last post, I’m obviously talking about the stuff I quoted. Now, you lying sack of crap, find a quote from me about me finding comfort.
Wait. I’m wrong. It’s not even a nice try. You’re just a jackass.
What advice do you give people who have just experienced an earthquake?
“Watch out for aftershocks!”. Um, how does one “look out” for seismic activity?
There are just so many “automatic” responses to so many situations.
They make life so much easier.
And no, not all rational suicides involve terminal illness or constant pain.
The debate on suicide is now where gay rights were in 1969. The Stonewall event has occurred and a larger debate is being framed.
It is not advanced by people who dismiss it as “mental illness”.
Oh yes: you asshole. Keep forgetting the level of discourse in this “fighting ignorance” forum.
The relevant post was not one sentence. You are intentionally referring back to an earlier post in order to leave out the rest of what I actually posted in this thread.
No, you’re not. You’re actually doing a very piss-poor job with this stunt of yours.
Having spent a number of years in earthquake-prone areas, I routinely heard such advice from government and NGOs. One prepares for seismic activity.
And this is irrelevant to anything, anything at all I posted in this threa.d
Nobody said that all rational suicides involved that, you liar.
I’m not dismissing anything, you liar.
Well, one can fight ignorance and one can also fight dishonesty. You’re a dishonest twerp and I’m fighting that at the moment. And, in case you forgot how to read (it’s already evident you don’t know how to quote honestly), this is The BBQ Pit. Don’t like how discourse is done here, stay out of the kitchen, so to speak.
Scary? Says who? What’s scary about it?