Robust Coffee, Heirloom Coffee?

This is all over the interwebz now. Sometime not in my lifetime, we may or may not have this one variety of coffee still growing. (Pretty please don’t turn this into a global warming debate thread) But apparently that’s what I get whenever I go to a coffee shop.

Where do I find Robusta beans? Wikipedia says that it’s used in Italian espresso blends. Are those vacuum packed bricks of coffee at the Italian grocery store robusta? If so, they taste pretty good, and I fail to see what all the hubbub about them being inferior coffee is for.

Furthermore, google assures me that my hunch is right: there are more than two types of coffee in the world. Has anyone tried any"heirloom varieties" growing in disparate regions of the world? Would anyone care to comment as to their taste, compared to, say, Robusta and Arabica beans? :slight_smile:

ETA: Could a moderator pretty please fix the title for me? I dun goofed. :frowning:

I suspect that, like grapes, coffee beans can vary wildly according to the soil and growing conditions, and that’s beyond actual varietal differences. (Maybe that’s true of all plants, I dunno)

The only coffee whose flavor I actually really ENJOY is peaberry. That’s when there is just one seed instead of two, and for some reason that is a huge difference in flavor, and quite enjoyable.

Other than that, I’ve got nuttin’, 'cause I add vanilla and spices and creamer to my coffee, basically making it a chai. :slight_smile:

That sounds lovely, lol! Though I prefer more of a bitter, pungent bouquet to my coffee, personally.

Shameless bump to get more responses. :slight_smile:

In cheap coffee, for the most part. Usually mixed in with some arabica, because robusta tastes pretty nasty.

Sorry, but Robusta is low grade coffee with much bigger beans that is used for instant coffee or with lower cost blended coffee. Here is wiki’s take: Coffea canephora - Wikipedia

If you’re looking to acquire unusual coffees, you might try here:

I’ve ordered a bunch of stuff from them, and there’s a lot of variety. Some of it I really didn’t enjoy, and some of it comes close to my ideal cup. But it’s interesting just to see and smell (and taste) the different beans sometimes.

Oh, I know, I read it. But it was this line that caught me:

So when I get the vacuum packed espresso bricks from the Eye-talian grocery store
(Like this), am I already adjusting my palette to cheapo shit coffee without even knowing it?

I can tell before I begin typing this that it will be TL;DR, and rambling. You have been so advised.

Where to begin? As far as coffee that you will consume, you only need to worry about canephora (robusta) and arabica. Yes, there are more than a hundred species of Coffea, but the vast majority cannot be transformed into a potable drink.

Coffee is much like wine, insofar that each berry has complex characteristics imparted by climate, region, precipitation, etc… Good growers mitigate the variables as much as possible to remain consistent across growing seasons, but coffee crops remain imminently at the mercy of the climate.

Some coffees are especially prized for their characteristics, real or imagined, and command premium prices. Examples include http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaica_Blue_Mountain_Coffee"]Blue Mountain and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kona_coffee"]Kona. Coffees have distinct profiles. Some are best black. Some hold cream well and some do not. Some can take sugar and some cannot. Some can take a little cream, sugar, or both, and have their taste profile enhanced. Some can take a lot of either or both, and some none.

When you walk into a good coffee shop or browse a well-stocked grocery isle, you should see a wide variety of single-origin coffees, from Peruvian to Sumatran to Sulawesi to Tanzanian Peaberry (I see you there, Tao). These, plus the different blends you’ll find, are coffee, and meant for a drip machine or a French press. They are not espresso.

Again: these are coffee, not espresso.

Espresso is never (in my experience) single origin. Espresso uses the same raw material as drip coffee, but is an entirely different product (the way beer and whisky both start with barley…). Espresso is always a blend of beans, intended to produce a complex flavor profile. Each roaster’s espresso should be individual.

The shop I worked in had three espresso roasts. The everyday roast was our usual pull, and strong enough to take flavorings and steamed milk. The ‘real’ espresso was a three bean blend used for shots and macchiato, with blueberry at the front of the palate, chocolate at the back, and medium body. And then there was the decaf espresso. You might think we kept that on hand just for lattes, mochas, etc. Nope. The decaf espresso had an exquisite flavor profile from a four-bean blend, and body enough to take any adulteration. The body came from a robusta bean. It was the best shot in the store (and the most forgiving on the grind, surprisingly).

To answer your original question: yes, but not why you think.

You can’t get the full benefit of an espresso blend without an espresso machine, but I ain’t your mother. I would also say that any coffee has a best date at latest a week from its grind date, vacuum pack or not. But I ain’t your mother. I would say “don’t you live in a place with a decent freakin’ coffee shop/roasterie!?!” But I ain’t your mother.

If you have an espresso machine, if the vacuum pack you buy is roasted the day before purchase, and if there is no local coffee shop worth its salt to patronize, I humbly apologize and recant.

If you’re adjusting yourself to bad coffee it’s because of grind, time, and equipment, not the species.

<Thelma approaches with humility>

I love it when people know shit. Tell me, azraiel, do you make coffee at home? If so, what method do you use? And what coffee? I live in the country, 40 miles from anywhere. I’ll take my answer off the air. Thank you.

A good coffee shop will have fresh coffee, but it is a mistake to buy roast coffee at any grocery store. If you’re not willing to do the work to get good coffee it’s perfectly fine to find a local roaster who will provide freshly roast beans, but I prefer to order green coffee from Sweet Maria’s and roast it myself. It ends up being cheaper than any other method, and it is incredibly interesting to develop the perfect roast for a given bean.

They do carry Robusta beans, by the way. Too bad they’re currently sold out.

Thanks Azraiel! Very informative.

I cough use it interchangeably between my drip coffee maker, my espresso machine and my Moka, depending on my mood. The brick I bought yesterday says its for Moka, which I guess means a different grind? Different blend? Anyway, the crema is pretty good so far! :slight_smile:

I am a trained coffee taster for a major American food manufacturer – but there are many Dopers, like azraiel, who know a helluva lot more about coffee than I do. My training is very specific. I taste unidentified samples to determine how much of various flavor/aroma attributes they possess.

Robusta has a very distinctive flavor. It is often described as tasting like burnt rubber. When I taste a coffee has a lot of the “cereal/grain” flavor attribute, it’s generally the Robusta in the mix that contributes it. To me, “cereal/grain” smells/tastes like oatmeal cooking.

So, yeah, not particularly tasty.

Interesting. What do YOU drink at home, freckafree?

I picked up a book on home-roasting coffee, and a question they didn’t really address in it (or on the site you linked)… how much smoke are we talking about here?

Grocery store variety French or espresso roast whole bean. 100% Arabica. We’ve been buying Gevalia lately because it’s been on sale.

It’s kind of frustrating that the samples are not identified, because when I taste something I really like, I have no idea what it is. It could be a competitor’s product, for all I know.

I used to roast all my own coffee and the smoke was not inconsiderable. My stove hood on high could just barely handle it at the heaviest point of a really dark roast. I ended up either roasting outside or using a piece of semi-rigid dryer hose to vent through an open window.

Wow! It’s times like this I’m glad I post on here! Thanks freckafree!

That having been said, “oatmeal cooking,” sounds a lot nicer than burnt rubber…sorta reminds me of postum, which I used to love as a kid!

I use a popcorn maker. Roasting inside, there’s just enough smoke to set off the smoke alarms even with an exhaust fan running. You also get the smell all through the house. It’s not a disaster, but enough hassle that I roast outside instead.

When we were in training, Postum was our flavor reference to learn the cereal/grain attribute. You might like Robusta!

I like Brazilian coffee-even though not mountain grown, I find it better than Columbian. Jamaican “Blue Mountain” is very good-if you can find a place that sells 100% BM (most labels use elaborate lies to sell you a blend containing as little as 2% BM.
My question is Vietnam coffee- Vietnam is a major producer now-and most of it is robusta-is it any good?