Well, she is Kinda Kute.
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I voted for Devo, the Zombies and Todd Rundgren because I like them, but don’t care a whole lot who gets into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, seeing that there’s little objective about who’s deserving and what qualifications are necessary. Everything in pop gets shoved into a “rock n’ roll” category.
I mean, “Rufus featuring Chaka Khan”?
Yeah, right.
Agreed. They should re-name it the Pop Music Hall of Fame, then start from scratch and build a real Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Or not. The more I think about it, the less I care.
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I’m a big fan. “It’s Different for Girls” and “Steppin” Out" are world-class great songs, and he’s got a bunch of fine albums.
His problem, IMO, is that he doesn’t have the chart success of, say, either The Cure or Roxy Music plus his sound varied all over the place, which may be great musically but keeps undercutting the casual fan. Perhaps his best album is the soundtrack to Mike’s Murder, which has his killer track “Memphis” and some fine atmospheric soundtrack noodling. But nobody’s every heard it. They stripped his music out of the movie and the LP had only one CD pressing on some unbelievably obscure label for five minutes.
He’ll always be a cult favorite. I’d put him in ahead of The Zombies, but that’s a low bar.
I also think there should be a Pop Music Hall of Fame. It could be the umbrella and then acts would get nominated in different sub-categories (but not very many, maybe 4-6); I’m not sure how I’d divide it up, though. There are also questions like, should you include, for example, Country, which already has it’s own strong traditions?
im still waiting for when the 80s new wave gets in ……pet shop boys …. neworder/joy division ect ……
You may be slightly underestimating Jackson’s importance but I share your surprise regarding the comparison of Yello and Kraftwerk.
There’s no doubt that the latter were far more ground-breaking and influential but Yello never struck me as overtly commercial. Sure, they had some hits but, if I remember correctly, most of these were almost completely instrumental, with only a few spoken or vaguely spoken-sung words, complete with openly silly videos. The whole thing was clearly tongue-in-cheek.
It seems to me that they started with an artistic vision and happened to have hits. It doesn’t matter that their vision wasn’t particularly deep, placing it before sales potential - which I think is what they did - makes them by definition not commercial.
I love John Prine, but what is he doing on this list? He is firmly country/folk. I can’t even think of any ways he influenced rock music.
He should have been replaced with Warren Zevon, who will probably never get in because Jan Wenner hated him.
Jethro Tull fails to get nominated again. They still can’t stand them taking Metallica’s Grammy?
After looking over the list again, I noticed I failed to vote for Rage against the Machine. Despite me pretty much hating everything they stand for, which is likely why I missed them the first time, they belong.
I looked through the list of acts not in the hall and there’s quite a lot of ones from my youth (I was born in 1981) that I thought were super-mega-big and assumed they’d be the first ones in when their time came, but I guess I really don’t have much of an idea of just how big or important the acts were because, just like today, I don’t have a clue about popular music at all. Tool is the most shocking in my mind; they’re probably too prog though.
I’m betting a lot of bands from your youth aren’t eligible yet. First record release in 1994 is the cut off for next year’s inductees.
If/When Tull is inducted, which members not named Ian Anderson are going to be inducted? ELO only inducted four members (Lynne, Bevan, Tandy, and Wood).
How have, say, Joan Baez, James Taylor, or Leonard Cohen (another guy that Jan Wenner really disliked) influenced rock music? Yet they are all in the Hall.
Oh, and the induction of Kiss (or even the Dave Clark Five years before) should put an end to the idea that Jan Wenner is some sort of puppet master who controls who gets in or left out.
Wow, NONE of the acts are getting 50% of the SDMB vote? Cantankerous bunch we are.
If they weren’t eligible yet, why would they be on someone’s list of bands not in? Tool’s first album was in 1993. The stuff all the popular kids listened to in Middle School that I thought was garbage (some I appreciate now though) had to come out in the early 90s. Stone Temple Pilots for example. I saw a planetarium show that featured their music as part of a summer camp or something, and it said afterward that they were planning on doing one for Metallica. So I thought STP was like, probably the same level as Metallica, if they had their show done first. I’m pretty sure Metallica’s a much bigger deal now, but if STP was as big as them then, shouldn’t they be at least in consideration? Maybe they actually really did suck like I thought they did, and only that show made me think they were such a big deal.
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I can definitely see there being a problem with who gets in with Ian Anderson if Tull is inducted…
Mick Abrahams – guitar, vocals (1967–1968)
Clive Bunker – drums, percussion (1967–1971)
Glenn Cornick – bass guitar (1967–1970; died 2014)
Tony Iommi – guitar (1968)
Martin Barre – electric and acoustic guitars, mandolin, lute, flute (1968–2012)
John Evan – keyboards (1970–1980)
Jeffrey Hammond – bass, vocals (1971–1975)
Barriemore Barlow – drums, percussion (1971–1980)
John Glascock – bass, harmony and backing vocals (1975–1979; died 1979)
Dee Palmer – keyboards (1977–1980; also worked with the band as an arranger between 1967 and 1976)
Dave Pegg – bass, mandolin, vocals (1979–1995)
Mark Craney – drums (1980–1981; died 2005)
Gerry Conway – drums, percussion (1981–1982; studio – 1987–1988)
Peter-John Vettese – keyboards, vocoder (1982–1986; studio – 1989)
Doane Perry – drums, percussion, vocals (1984–2012)
Maartin Allcock – keyboards, guitar, mandolin (1988–1991; died 2018)
Andrew Giddings – keyboards, accordion, bass (1991–2007)
Jonathan Noyce – bass, percussion (1995–2007)
(That’s not even counting the current official members of Tull, who are more of Anderson’s solo backing band now than anything else.)
Yes, Tony Iommi was a member of Tull for a few weeks. He’s with them on their performance for the Rolling Stone’s Rock and Roll Circus, but I’m not sure if they’re actually playing on camera.
Martin Barre is obvious. Where you draw the line on everyone else is less clear.
Back at you with:
Fame equals famous, fame doesn’t equal good. A hall of fame should be based on reputation, not quality.
I’m not convinced that a hall of fame is good for anything at all, no matter how the choices are made, so probably better not to listen to me.
I voted for:
Def Leppard: one of the best selling hard rock bands ever.
Janet Jackson: Janet pretty much started the whole New Jack Swing movement, although it was more Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis’ brainchild. But she was the performer. She also has serious longevity
Rage Against the Machine: hate them, but they earned it.
LL Cool J: no rapper has lasted longer in an industry where being relevant for more than a few years is really tough, although as the genre has matured rappers are lasting longer. But for LL Cool J to survive the 90s and 00s is remarkable.
Whoa, I’d take that bet. It’s the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of whose farts does Jann Wenner like the smell of, after all.
Let’s admit this. Critical darlings of the 1970s or so are already being forgotten. The average music fan on the street will know more about Janet Jackson now than most knew about Kraftwerk back during the 80s. At a minimum, she’s part of a family legacy that has loomed over pop music for 50 years.
This is the exact same thing that happens in all Halls of Fame…the desire to look for peak years vs longevity. Does Def Leppard belong in the HoF? They were really only on top for a few years in the 80s. First top ten single: 1983 (Photograph). Last top ten single: 1989 (Rocket). Even that’s only if you restrict it to the US Rock charts.
High peak, long long tail of lower fame. But that’s the way the music industry works, both then and now. Very few stay on top for very long.
Does anyone know if there’s an expiry date on eligibility? It’s one of the things I like about the Baseball HoF. If you don’t have sufficient support you get dropped from the ballot. If you’re not elected in X number of years you’re off the ballot.
But I’m the sort who:
- Considers it to be a Hall of Popular Music
- Would lobby for a small Hall of Elite
Selections announced: Radiohead, Janet Jackson, Stevie Nicks Lead Rock Hall 2019 Class – Rolling Stone
Stevie Nicks
Radiohead
Janet (that’s “Jackson” if you’re nasty)
Def Leppard
The Cure
Roxy Music
The Zombies