AIRMAN DOORS USAF, your opinion is the same as as great deal of people. Rock on…Come to LA, we’ll treat you like a king…
Yeah, sure. But which kind of King?
I’m still befuddled about this online/offline asshole/swellguy dissconnect.
I guess one of the deep mysteries of the universe.
And you are a fucking ass!
:rolleyes:
It’s the “magic beans.” I’m sure Dean Koontz is a nice guy, deep down…
Wow…I have an archenemy?? I’ve never had an arch anything before.
Well…I do have arches.
I’m impressed.
As for the OP…This is not the first time wingnut has shown himself to be a jerk. Y’all reckon he was a Brownshirt in a former life?
Arches, I remember them.
I once had Roman arches, but they fell.
Do you know how painful the inserts are for Roman arches?
So, Juanita. You’re saying you’ve been asleep for the previous two and one half years? :eek:
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
And Airman, speaking for myself, any comments I have made are solely in response to what you have posted. If my comments were nasty, it’s because I vehemently disagreed with what you said. As far as what kind of a person you are at home, I don’t think that’s any of my business.
No, not everyone.
But if Rodney King violently resists arrest, while on parole from prison and driving drunk, and get $3.8 million and a walk on his crimes, and the arresting officers go to prison for hitting him six times more than he needed to be, I would call that condemning the police and excusing the criminal.
And when someone posts something as stupid and inflammatory as World Eater did, and implies that shooting people and sodomizing them with broom handles is a daily occurence for the police, I would say that too much weight is being given to alleged incidents of brutality by the police and not enough to the crimes that trigger the incidents. As, again, with Rodney King.
Two and a half years in prison is virtually scot-free?
The findings of the first trial was that of the 56 times King got hit, all but the last five or six were justified as necessary force used to effect an arrest. But you call an error of roughly +10% more than a “FOOTBALL FIELD” away.
Hmmmm…
Regards,
Shodan
Glad mhendo was nice enough to explain that as I was a bit short. “Crocodile wrestling,” as I said, does not involve beating the crocodile with clubs when it is lying on the ground. To flog the analogy, then you jump on it and duct tape it.
The question is was he violently resisting arrest? As far as everything being peachy until the last 6 hits, I’ll have to disagree with you there. I would have thrown King and the Cops in jail, and no $3.8 million.
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Just pointing out that a few officers are capable of horrible acts at worst and shitty judgement at best. It is a perfectly reasonable assumption that the King officers could have been part of this very small minority.
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King is a grade A asshole and criminal, no dispute there, but spin it anyway you want, he didn’t deserve that beatdown
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I happen to think this is a load of shit, YMMV.
If you think King wasn’t resisting arrest, you are a total shitbrain.
If what happened to Rodeny King reflected LAPD policy of how to take down an irrational, violent suspect alleged to be a PCP user — LA needs to take some lessons from the Philly cops. Talking to him and whacking him with clubs to get compliance is bound not to work, and is a shitty policy to begin with.
The trouble being that choke holds and other kinds of restraint tactics are illegal under California state law, the idea being to arrest suspects in a more humane way. IIRC, this was triggered by the death of some suspects after being choked out. LAPD had no choice in the matter - the Tazers didn’t work.
It depends on how you define “violently resisting arrest”. If your definition includes trying to escape by driving at over 100 mph (while legally drunk), charging the police multiple times, getting knocked down and getting back up repeatedly, being Tazered (twice) and continuing to fight, yes, I guess you could say he was “violently resisting arrest”.
If your understanding was that he was on his way home from choir practice, got pulled over for a busted headlight or something, was asked politely to step out of the car, complied, and then was beaten senseless for Driving While Black, you may want to reconsider your position. As I think I mentioned, the two other people in the car, who did NOT resist arrest, weren’t beaten, and they were just as black as King is.
King was not beaten because of any desire by the police towards vigilantism. He was beaten in an attempt to arrest him, because the police had already exhausted every other option available to them under state law. And the beating went on about 10% too long.
As I said, the police were condemned because they could not or did not stop hitting a big, mean, drunken convicted felon who was determined not to return to prison and resisted arrest quite soon enough.
I agree with two thirds of this.
Regards,
Shodan
O.K., time to dispel some ignorance:
The first trial was a sham. Anyone who saw the video, and has 2 brain cells to rub together, can see that “hitting him six times more than he needed to be”, is the understatement of the last two centuries.
http://www.crimsonbird.com/history/rodneyking.htm
The jury consisted of ten whites, one Hispanic, and one Filipino-American. There were no blacks on the jury. In fact, Simi Valley is a predominately white community that is known for being a favorite place for police officers to live. But hey, Shodan, why don’t you just go ahead and continue spouting off about the findings of that jury as if it’s incontrovertible fact.:rolleyes:
Get your facts straight; they only served 2 years. And read this (from the Crimson Bird article):
http://www.cali.org/riots/time_line.html
24 months in a country club prison? Yeah, that’s pretty light, considering what they did.
The fact that you see a connection between the speed King was driving, and what the cops did to him after he was lying on the ground shows that you have no clue what you’re talking about. The ONLY issue is whether they needed to continue hitting him in order to take him into custody. Driving 100 mph has got fuck-all to do with it.
Uh, that’s not what the officers were tried for. They were tried for what they did AFTER King was lying on the ground. You don’t seem to understand the difference between restraint and punishment.
Even if your “10% too long” were not completely arbitrary, and quite obviously a gross underestimate, the fact would still remain that they shouldn’t have “gone on too long” AT ALL. A good rule of thumb might be: If the suspect is lying motionless on the ground, you maybe would want to think about stopping busting his skull open.
Despite the absurd spin you’re trying to put on it, I can see that you agree that the officers in question did wrong. That is, unless you think their job description includes hitting people “for too long”.
I doubt anyone would agree what the police did that day was humane or right - but it sort of sucks to think so many lost their lives in the aftermath for the sake of a man who turned out to be a loser, eh?
Well, you wouldn’t think so, but then our friends Airman and Shodan seem to think it was perfectly justified.
I don’t think anyone’s saying King is a saint or anything; that’s not the point. Christ, you guys are treating this like it’s news or something - like people were planning to elect him president until this latest news story came out. We’ve known the guy was a loser for years. Unless you are saying that the police are justified in beating people up for being losers, I don’t see what your point is.
If that is the case, CA needs to figure out some what to restrain people without beating or shooting them – and also without holding them.
I know CA leads the way on a number of things, but sometimes they lead the way right over a cliff – like the fastest lemming.