He was only mostly dead.
Yeah this roils me. What detestable fool Waters is. Sponsored by Russia to speak. I am sure the asshole is proud of himself. What a fucking tool.
I listened to a lot of Floyd in the past and enjoyed it, despite Water’s grating voice. Everytime I hear Pink Floyd now, I’ll be think of this asshole’s behaviour.
I wondered how much support is necessary for somone to speak on the council. Did come across this quote in a Reuters article from the Albanian ambassador on the council:
“He is lucky to be in New York, in a free country, speak his mind, say whatever he likes, including about the Russian aggression and how wrong that is. If he had been in Russia, with what he said, he might have been in custody by now,” Albania’s U.N. Ambassador Ferit Hoxha told the 15-member Security Council.
Once again, just need to add:
Roger Waters is a disgusting piece of shit. Fuck him.
Ultimately, that only shows how deteriorated his cognitive abilities already are …
nobody touches Putin or russia with a 30ft barge-pole, but good ol’ Rog walzes right in…
Oh, good god, yes. I’d rather listen to neither, but if I had to choose, I’d pick PF sans Waters.
Up until now I had no idea the song was literally about David Gilmour taking piloting lessons. That’s a little disappointing. I always figured it was about learning to fly in a more mystical sense, bodily ascending from the ground like Superman and breaking the shackles of gravity and escaping the world and all your earthly problems.
I’m going to stick with my interpretation.
From stuff that’s been written and said, it’s both about literal flying and about Gilmour and the band learning to be Pink Floyd without Waters.
Near as I can tell, Waters’ trajectory was:
My dad died in the war → The UK government sent my dad to war → The UK government is bad → The UK and allied western governments are bad → Those opposed to the western governments must have a pretty good point
For all that people assumed Waters was “anti-war”, most of his complaints were about Reagan, Thatcher, Bush Sr, etc. None of which have ever been on my Christmas card list but nevertheless strike me as better than the various Russian, Asian or South American dictators of their time. At the time, the logical conclusion was “Well, Waters is complaining about these people because he thinks they approach fascism” when, in retrospect, it seems more likely that he mainly objected to them because they represented the same government bloc that sent his dad to war many decades earlier.
I mean, the guy wrote a song bitching about Bush Sr leveraging superior military technology to push Saddam out of Kuwait instead of… I dunno… letting a dictator just take over Kuwait? Sending in a bunch of other dads to die in an infantry fight to keep things “fair”?
I’ve said before-
I want to ask Waters if he thinks we (any “we”, but especially Great Britain) shouldn’t have fought WWII. And if so, how does he think that would have worked out.
As noted back in the OP, he apparently thinks Russia could have won the war on their own.
So do many. Some on this very board.
In the meantime, Germany managed to take over everything to the west except Portugal and Switzerland. Probably would have got to the UK before Russia got them.
This is quite a comical demonstration of an utter lack of comprehension of what is in George’s head. As much as I detest Vlad and his vile enterprise, Waters does have some legitimate points that are much too readily dismissed by people who simply dislike what he has to say. He complains that we are eating up what the western media is spoon-feeding us, and he is clearly correct on that point (though, the implication that Russian media is not orders of magnitude worse is absurd).
This overall situation is deeply fraught, and it is troubling that something the west contributed to (going back many decades) is being addressed the only way we know how, militarily.
Well, not the only way. There’s also sanctions and other economic and diplomatic penalties. But when tanks are rolling through your nation to take your land by force, militarily is indeed one of the main ways of… not having that happen?
Especially when the invader won’t be honest about what they’re doing or why and has no interest in discussing anything but complete surrender.
The other way to resolve the problem is capitulation. I’m glad the west isn’t doing that one.
Perhaps you could outline what you evidently feel is false about the basic facts behind this conflict that the “western media” is reporting?
Being a quarter of a world away from the conflict, it is difficult for me to guess what is or is not accurate about what I am being told. The fact that the Russian army is a horde of filterless orcs, though, does seem to fit the narrative just a little too well.
I’m sure they’re not, but a large proportion of them are paroled criminals so some of them likely are.
Honestly, the impression I got from the media is that many Russian soldiers are as much victims as the Ukrainians they are directed to attack. Many don’t want to be there, some don’t want to fight, they aren’t trained or equipped or supported well.
Maybe you (and Roger George!) need to absorb better media before making such sweeping generalizations about it.
have you completely forgotten about those 122 or so “off-ramps” that were offered putin between roughly dic-2021 and late feb-2022???
there was A LOT of activity going on on all levels to keep russia from attacking a neighboring country … saying it was not so - is just factually wrong.
30 sec on google:
2 weeks before invasion:
- Putin has slammed Western claims of an imminent military threat, calling the idea “provocative speculation” that could lead to a conflict in the ex-Soviet country, according to a Russian readout of a call with French President Emmanuel Macron.*
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4 weeks before invasion:
Blinken did not offer specifics about the response, which he said won’t be released publicly, because the U.S. wants to give it the space for diplomacy to succeed and prevent Russia from invading Ukraine. President Joe Biden was “intimately involved” in crafting the letter, which also included input from European allies. Blinken said it contains the concerns of the U.S., Ukraine and its allies that Russia’s actions could undermine security. It also reiterates the Biden administration’s commitment to upholding Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity and the “right of states to choose their own security arrangements and alliances.”
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I am certain you will find literally 100s of similar reports from all kinds of media outlets (and personas who tried to mitigate) in many countries that tried to avoid a russian attack before feb-24th … or you might check out a little known forum:
… which started to debate the matter en april 2021:
… of course only if you want to find them
Looks like Frankfurt is not interested in hosting Waters. Antisemitism is the sited reason.
They cancelled his culture.