Romanticizing my past? Is you trippin'? (Sampiro in a rant of unmitigated ego)

So… those of you who read this thread and some others know that I’m trying to polish up some posts here and some other autobiographical stories to submit for publication. I’ve asked several people to give me feedback because I’m curious as to what works and what doesn’t.

I really can take criticism, I swear it. As a matter of fact in many ways I take criticism better than I do compliments, which embarass the hell out of me. More often than not I’ll say “Yeah, you’re right- that paragraph really doesn’t work” or “that sidestory bogs down the flow- I love it but you’re right, it should go”, or if I disagree then I’ll make a reasonable “I understand your point, but personally I do think this should be written in dialect because to me his impediment and accent are just an extremely strong memory”.

But… I asked an acquaintance, an English professor (raised in suburban Philadelphia) who does some editing and writing of her own, to read them and offer her critiques. Her response just made me “…the hell? You got that from what I wrote?”

Okay…

  1. Romanticize them? I describe my 82 year old grandmother’s bare ass hanging out a window while her lobotomized sister pisses on the ground, houses that literally assailed every allergy you’d ever thought of having before you ever get out of the car, constant dogs being dumped by the side of the road and coming to us emaciated and unwanted [and usually getting killed in the road], dead impoverished black children playing in a fallow garden, old women leaving their filthy log home [where at least two of their former cats were mummified] to take an ‘ish’ in the woods… where have I romanticized anything? I’d hate to see what you called gritty realism. (Perhaps I should have had a bloody reenactment of Lucy’s lobotomy, maybe? Or describe my grandmother’s anus?)

2- My childhood did not take place in a town, small or otherwise. It took place on a cattle farm five miles from the nearest gas station, ten miles from the nearest “town” (whose current population is about 150) and twenty miles from a town with a supermarket. This may seem like a trivial distinction, but it’s not.

3- I think what you know of small towns comes from reading Faulkner, not from living in them. Yes, they can be living hells on Earth and just thoroughly evil places, but not everybody there is living a life of quiet desperation (most in particulalry they aren’t all living the quiet part). And I would wager there are one hell of a lot more blasted dreams in NYC and LA and Chicago than there are in Enterprise, Alabama, and a whole lot more real poverty.

  1. I was 18 and GAY in very rural Alabama, I know a thing or two about dying to get out of the place you were born (though the manner in which we finally left was a bit…ahem… awkward). Even I don’t think it was that melodramatic.

Then she says

Um… my grandmother’s 82 year old naked ass was hanging out a window while her sister peed on the ground. My senile 97 year old aunt thought Sandy Duncan was trying to watch her eliminate. My brother and I faked a 240 lb. dead dog being tickled. Most of the most miserable moments of my life happened in that house, but even when these things were happening I thought they were funny as hell. They were frustrating, embarassing and decidedly bizarre, but realizing just how absurdly funny it was kept me sane.

And I hope that there’s nothing remotely self pitying about my writing. I like to think I got over that a long time ago. (Of course I also like to think I look like Ricky Martin when I wear my muscle shirts, but I have many sworn statements that would indicate otherwise.)

She earlier wrote thisThe Potato Head Bible Beating Story:

Okay, I was the child being abused, and it was 30 years ago and I can see things a lot more clearly now, and I will still tell you flatly, I deserved that ass-whippin’. In fact, if I had been my child (which given my family’s genealogy would probably be somehow possible), I would have blistered my butt a lot more frequently than I did.

And yet then she says this:

Uh… no. Those were child abuse. Yes, the recipe/suicide letter is written for comedic effect, but in general I didn’t think they were funny. Some you knew were just hot air and emotional flatulence, but the others were absolutely terrifying. There wasn’t a lot funny about thinking your mother is going to send a bullet through her brain and using everything in your power including faking messages from the beyond and speaking in tongues to get her not to, but I’m glad you found those amusing even if you didn’t the naked old woman in the window.

Well, I know that this is going to sound whiny and thin-skinned, but I’m really not either. Of course she also says she doesn’t understand how anybody can read Flannery O’Connor (though oddly she likes Faulkner). I really do hope that others who’ve read them understand a bit more what I was going for or can see the humor in an old woman’s ass (and life in the eyes of a child).

Sorry for the rant, especially since it’s drearily close to a Ray Walston “A MARTIAN WOULD NEVER SAY THAT!” primadonna fit, but I just had to vent. (And to any others I’ve asked for criticism, I promise that you won’t wind up here- it’s not the criticism that I minded of the above but the absurdity of the allegations.)

What if they can see the life in an old lady’s ass? You know, like how Jackie Stallone does? Would that be enough?

Sampiro, I don’t think you can trust any of this woman’s critiques of your writing. I’d hate to think of what kind of writing she thinks is good. You do an amazing job of taking bad situations and seeing the humor in them, which in my opinion is one of the greatest things anyone can do in life. My perspective might be a little bit different, because I’m a country person too, so maybe I don’t have the same misperceptions of country life as she does.

I love your writing, and I really, really hope you publish a book soon.

Bingo. That’s the whole thing right there.

Of course, one might hope for greater powers of imagination from an English professor, but anyone who thinks the whole rural experience is best summed up as “Poverty and decay. Blighted hopes and blasted dreams” is probably dealing with some pretty deeply-ingrained prejudices.

I’m not surprised she can’t get Flannery O’Connor; she sounds exactly like an O’Connor character. I dare you to, in the course of ordinary conversation, “mistakenly” call her Hulga. Or Asbury.
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English Prof who loves your work.

I play in a sort of niche-jazz group (French jazz, FWIW), and we played a pretty big gig this past weekend.

We’ve heard lots of comments, both good and bad, about our material, performances, etc etc. There was a woman there this weekend who we invited; owns a local paper and we thought it’d be nice to treat her to a ticket, as her paper did a really nice review of our CD earlier in the year.

Anyway, after the show she sent an e-mail with her opinion, and… well, let’s just say that criticism is one thing, but criticism with no basis in the material itself or what the material purports to be is just insulting, which seems to be the case in your situation as well. It doesn’t seem like she has a rational grasp on the, um, milieu, I guess, in which you’re writing. People who bring their own incorrect expectations to art are generally the worst people to listen to for opinions.

She sounds like a humorless hag to me. Or at least someone whose sense of humor is basically perpendicular to most of humanity’s. The Potato Head Bible Beating wasn’t funny?! My god, I like to almost break something when I read that from laughing so hard! And yet your mother’s suicide attempts were “a hoot”? Whu?!

Don’t ask this woman to critique ANYTHING, please…it’s apparently like an amateur director asking Roger Corman to help him edit his life’s work.

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Yeah, that’s romantic. It sure isn’t Lake Woebegone.

It may just be as simple as the genre isn’t to her taste, or she may be bringing baggage of her own to the party.

In any case, remember that our own Eve, also a published author and editor with years of experience, thought enough of your stories that she asked to be allowed to pass them along to friends in the publishing business. That’s one hell of a recommendation.

Also recall that you have quite a few Dopers (a well read and intelligent crew if ever there were one) opening any thread with your name on it in hopes of finding another one of your wonderful stories. I certainly do. (Speaking of which, put me on your mailing list of stories, please.)

Her comments are mind-boggling. I wonder how closely she read them.

She has a weird sense of humor, to say the least.

I don’t know a damn thing about writing or publishing, but I think the right editor would see the worth of your stories as they are, without polishing.

Don’t let any more English professors see them. They’ll suck the freshness right out.

P.S. I saw a news snippet the other day about how Augusten Burroughs family is suing him and/or his publisher because he didn’t do a good enough job disguising his family’s identities and now they’re embarrassed.

A-HEM.

Sampiro, I’ve greatly enjoyed reading every story of yours I’ve come across, and I think you do a pretty good job of balancing the horror and humor out so that the reader isn’t bogged down in some bathetic wonderland. Growing up in the rural Midwest (and currently trapped there for the summer), I think your English professor friend has been reading much too much William Faulkner and needs to either find a sense of humor or actually live in the country for a while with an open mind. It’s people like her who are responsible for romanticizing rural life, not people who have actually lived it.

It just chaps my ass when I tell people I grew up on a farm and they say, “Oh, that must have been interesting,” with their mouth, but say, “I’m so sorry; are you better now?” with their eyes. Yes, thank you, much better. I have shoes now and don’t have to comb my hair with a shucks brush. Next week we get ‘lectricity. Then we won’t have to milk the cows by hand anymore and ol’ Betsy can go to her final rest. After that, we switch from Sears Roebuck to quilted!

Psst. Lives of quiet desperation, my ass. It’s not Charles Dickens with a plow.

I’m sorry, Sampiro, that’s a rant of my own, but suburban pity, well, chaps my ass. And you mean a 240 lb. hog, not dog, right? Because that’s a big puppy . . .

Surely you exaggerate…I don’t think there are any places you could farm cattle that far east that are 10 miles from the nearest town.

No, he means dog. St. Bernard, that is. Le Mort d’Bo

Ignore her, and erase everything she wrote (said) out of your hard drive and your mind. The bitch is probably jealous because she couldn’t begin to write anything that good. I hope we all get invitations to your first publication party and she won’t be invited.

Are there any spots left on the e-mail list? I would love to be included.

Miss Purl, it wasn’t a typo.

I am writing here as a veteran of many, many critique groups. But I’m only going to mention the first one.

I was trying to write a play. In fact I had written a play, which was produced (and performed by actors, one of whom didn’t like my ending and ad-libbed, but that’s neither here nor there). This group was so destructive that although I made a living as a freelance writer, I didn’t do any more creative writing for 20 years. This was based on a critique, well, a series of critiques, by one person–for the most part the group liked my stuff and gave solid criticism.

Eventually I got brave enough to go back into critique and while it’s not fun to hear negative comments on your work, there is such a thing as constructive criticism. It’s not fun to read reviews on amazon.com about people who completely misunderstood my books, it has gotten easier to ignore them. (That is not the critique I was talking about–reviews of my books on amazon obviously happened after the work in question was accepted by a publisher, paid for, and printed.)

Here’s the advice: Get very thick-skinned, thank her for her feedback, and then ignore her. She may well be correct about how some people will perceive your stories. Be persistent; I’ve read them, they are hilarious and poignant and very entertaining, and I believe you CAN find a market.

But: If you think your writing is going to appeal to everyone, you can forget that right now. (I’m not even going to mention how many publishers rejected J.K. Rowling’s effort because I’m not sure about the number–something like 17?)

It is also worth noting that just because someone teaches English does not mean they can edit/critique/write worth a shit, necessarily.

I love that image. ;j

That may be an overestimate, but I know for a fact he was well over 200 lbs… He was a huge St. Bernard to begin with (tall, broadly built even by St. B. standards) and very overweight on top of it.

This website says that the average weight for a full grown St. Bernard is around 180 pounds.

Oh. My. God. I think I hurt myself laughing. I’m sorry I doubted you, Sampiro. That poor dog. Poor you. Your poor brother’s nose after that steak.

I sincerely hope you’re published, because I’m seeing Christmas presents for years to come.

Which, by itself, tells you nothing about the maximum size one can be.

Oh I promise you, there are. The nearest to us was Wallsboro (the place that currently has about 100 people) on one side, and Rockford, AL (a tiny county seat with a population of 428 in the 2000 census- I haven’t been there in years so I don’t know if it’s still true, but when I was growing up there was a single building in “downtown” that literally housed the courthouse, jail, city hall and a liquor store [in Alabama there are state owned liquor stores and the state rented space for one in the building]).

Today the “metro” area of Wetumpka, the city where I went to school (and the city where Big Fish, The Rosa Parks Story and The Grass Harp were filmed much later- the church I went to is prominently featured in all three) is a bit closer because it’s more than doubled in size (from 3,000 to about 6,000) in the past 18 years since I left the area and grown towards Wallsboro, but the downtown area (where Ewan McGregor and the Giant leave from on their quest) is still 20 miles from the house I grew up in.

There are places in Alabama that are far more isolated, especially once you clear Montgomery going south. The area I described in the story of my truck crash in the other thread (HiWay 82) has stretches all the way to southwest Georgia where you can drive for miles and miles and never see a town {houses and farms you’ll see, but not towns}.

Georgia, having far more counties than any other state of comparable size anywhere in the nation, isn’t as bad as there’s a county seat every few miles, but Alabama has several very large very rural counties with a few tiny communities and one city [and that one small]). Baldwin County, Alabama, where my sister lives, is freaking huge- you could easily fit 4 Georgia counties in it) and when she first moved there 20+ years ago it had areas that rural, but it’s grown up majorly due to beach tourism, a mega-outlet, retirees moving there, etc…

There’s an isolated stretch of road going to my brother’s house in south Alabama that’s extremely desolate but then it’s interrupted by a huge mansion that looks very familiar. Later it hits you- it’s the Southfork Mansion from DALLAS but with different topography. The man who built it (whose fortune comes from owning carnivals and good investments) loved that show and had the house copied inside and out, and he owns about 3 miles on either side of the road. One of those “couldn’t make it up” stories: the guy is almost 60 and recently married a 15 year old whose parents were carnies who work for him; it reeks of “Set Up” thing as his choice was “marry our girl or go to jail for statuatory rape”.