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“Fuck off” was inappropriate for this forum. I should have been more temperate in my word choice.
My apologies to the board.
Especially when we consider the crucial role of transgender activists in the original gay-rights uprising at Stonewall and thereafter, it seems especially disgraceful to now attempt to shrug off trans-rights activism as a mere parasite on the gay-rights movement.
Yes. It was a revelation to me to learn that a lot of the leadership of the Stonewall uprising were trans people.
And several of my closest friends are trans. So anyone attacking them is attack me, too.
Maybe public places should have 3 bathrooms, ladies, gents, and safe space, for anyone who might feel or be threatened in the other ones.
No offense taken.
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This is off topic for this thread. The thread is to discuss the fascistic tendencies or lack of same by Governor Ron DeSantis. Let’s not get sidetracked by a bathroom discussion. Thanks.
If any of my friends are trans, they haven’t told me so. But an attack on anybody (for reasons other than their attacking other people) is an attack on all of us.
‘We must all hang together or we’ll all hang separately’ is still true, whether or not it’s an actual legal hanging that’s being talked about.
I do wish to welcome you, @alwyn , and hope you stick around. My best guess - based on the information above - is that you are Asian Indian (and perhaps making a reference to the caste system), but that might be wholly ignorant on my part.
But since you raises the subject of race, what race are you? No need to be coy (says the white male)
Have you considered how extreme this position is? Speeding is “lawlessness” - do you really advocate for the police to do anything necessary to slow drivers down? Would you favor the death penalty for every crime, from murder all the way down to lying on a form? And what response would you give to the fact that the death penalty used to be liberally applied and yet crime still occurred - there’s literally no amount force which could “stop” lawlessness “in its tracks”.
Similarly, maintaining law and order “at all costs” is really saying you favor an oppressive and, well, fascist government.
Want to own a gun? Sorry, guns can lead to crime. The government must maintain law and order at all costs, so they will be doing surprise inspections of your home to ensure that you do not have guns, or any other contraband, against the decree of the State.
Surely that’s not what you mean?
And if it’s isn’t, then you are in the same boat as the rest of us - arguing about the amount of force, or lenience, that is appropriate.
Ron has gleefully exceeded reasonable bounds. He’s doing it, it seems, to appease people who are scapegoating an ostracized group for no valid reason. It’s disgusting, and I predict it will ultimately lead to harm to the state of Florida.
(Another masa shooting is surely coming, as the gun laws are relaxed starting July 1st. I predict ugly brawls over bathroom usage will be another achievement credited to Ron).
The latest law ron is likely going to pass is this one.
Chinese people who are domiciled in that country won’t be able to buy land in certain areas.
I remember when the Republicans were the party of “business”, and would have railed against an economy managed by the government.
They’re still the party of “business”; it’s now just protectionist, xenophobic, self-serving “business”.
A playcard from pre-war Nazi Germany for reference:
Stranger
I wonder if Ron’s trying to lose his moderate constituents. With Disney changing plans about building a new FL park and NAACP delivering a travel advisory for FL travel, that’s a lot of money ebbing away. My cousin, a right-wing church pastor who lives close to Miami said there’s a big portion of the population who backs him but Ron doesn’t reach out to any liberals. It really seems like Ron has to be more moderate to successfully run for President some time like he wants to.
I think he’s stuck (hopefully!) losing the election to win the primary. He seems to be running on out-Trumping Trump - more conservative, more successful in sticking it to the libs, the better General for the wars on Woke.
This is what he seems to need to do to win the Primary (or next cycles primary which would be a better bet!) - but yeah, being more of an ass to anyone who even occasionally identifies as liberal or Democrat is going to hurt come general election. And unlike prior efforts, his actions have been so blatant that it is unlikely anyone is going to forget.
Of course, he may be expecting our democratic norms to have devolved enough to perpetually litigate any actual election results until a fix is in, something I’m not entirely unsure he’s wrong about…
But still my bet right now is a run on Trump, making him look strong for pushing Trump to ‘not give into the libs’ and then gracefully bow out (now that he doesn’t have to sacrifice his stronghold in FL) “for the good of the party” and when (
) Trump fails, he’ll be the shoo in in 4 more years.
He’d make a pretty poor Fascist strongman. He always sounds whiny and vaguely effeminate, and butt hurt. He’s always butt hurt about something. Add in white go go boots, and no one is going to voluntarily die for this asshole.
…the trans people who can’t get healthcare and have had to go underground under the De Santis regime really don’t care that you think he is “whiny and effeminate.” It’s the actions that matter.
Have you seen Hitler’s photos? a less intimidating man it’s hard to find, but he was definitively an “effective” fascist strongman.
We’ve been here before.
If you read the article, what ensued was even worse than the headline suggests.
Hitler didnt look impressive, but he sure sounded impressive (unlike DeSantis), and radio was the big thing back then.
Just to reiterate, DeSantis is at worst a “fascist wannabe”. Putin is a fascist. DeSantis is no Putin.
No, that is entirely different.
In 1913 American residents of Chinese descent could not buy land. The Fla law prohibits Chinese Citizens who live in China from buying land. The 1913 would be thrown out as discriminatory today. However, it is likely legal to stop foreigners who live outside the nation from owning land. That doesnt discriminate on the basic of race, rather on the basis of residency.