They do even out, but it’s taken in the same way you’d feel about the left fielder falling asleep in a rec softball league. Sure, 99% of the time it doesn’t matter and no one hits one out there, but we’re all on the same page and trying, why aren’t you?
Probability does not work that way! Good night!
Be rude all you want. All you are showing is that you don’t know squat about blackjack, probability, or much else.
Yes, but based on how an 8 hand deck works, when they don’t deal to the bottom of the shoe, probability does control your win. So that means the people at the table who take themselves way too seriously are the asshole.
Typically in blackjack/21 if you get duplicate cards you turn them into 2 hands.
This moron thought he was The Gambler and professional, and I was a loser. I walked away way more than I arrived with. meh.
And gambling is supposed to be for amusement. If the person playing is playing like a 3 year old but having fun, deal with it. don’t be a butthead about how someone else is playing. If they ask advice give it but don
t try to tell them how to play and don’t throw a tantrum that would have me put you into a corner for time out if you were one of my goddaughters.
::shrug:: Then be happy I left the table.
Okay. Obviously anyone who huffs and puffs and cries when someone else doesn’t play the “right” way is a big, fat jerk, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t some basic table etiquette, like don’t take forever and a day making up your mind, and don’t hit on 20 just because you can.
How do you spot a loser at a blackjack table?
He’s the one playing blackjack.
Unless someone is somehow splitting YOUR tens, no, it’s not rude at all.
I really don’t see much rudeness at all in Tunica. Maybe in part because it’s usually a very Southern crowd, but courtesy is the norm. I play more three card poker than I do blackjack, but table behavior is generally pretty good. The few incidents I’ve seen generally involved someone that was obviously drunk. Saw a guy pass out at the table once. Dealer lit the Bat Signal, two casino staff who appeared to be the approximate size of small mountains appeared out of nowhere, and the drunk was carried away. Also got to watch a young woman throw a screaming hissy fit and be dragged away kicking and screaming. She’d hit a big jackpot on a slot machine. Big enough that a floor worker showed up to handle the payout. Of course, the first thing casino staff do before paying anything is to check the ID if the person appears underage. Unfortunately for her, she was 17. And had a beer in her hand. No jackpot. No more beer. Probably got to meet a Juvenile Judge later in the day.
Why not hit on twenty? I understand it would be a dumb move, but how does that effect your hand?
It always seems like, if it’s the queen you needed to get to 20, then players get pissed, but if it’s a random 7 that would give the next player 14, then no one cares.
Since no one knows what the next card is, who cares which one you get?
I saw a guy who was betting $50 a hand or so. Some low-limit player asked if he could sit down, and the guy said sure. Then the player asked if he minded if he split his hand, the guy said…
Made my day.
Heh. Yeah, I used to work in a corner store in Las Vegas, and a lot of the minors would try to play the slots while the clerks and deli workers were busy. Of course, this backfired on them when they actually hit a jackpot, and then they’d whine about all the money that they’d lost and now we were big meanies when we wouldn’t pay out to minors. We banned a few kids because they would NOT stay away from the slots. We had a couple of arcade games, we were right next door to an arcade, and the laundromat in the little shopping center had slots that were rarely supervised as well as arcade games. Yeah, this was in the 80s.
I went to the casinos now and then, but never really understood the appeal of gambling. I can win money at blackjack, but it bores me and really, I’d make more doing a minimum wage job.
This is unambiguously wrong in every way. At least you silently stew in your own nonsense instead of being rude to people, so credit for that.
This is correct. It’s not an issue of “they average out” although that’s sort of a way of saying the same thing. The issue is that one random, unknown card is as good as any other. You have know way of knowing if it’s the next card that would bust the dealer, or if the first card that can bust the dealer is 3 cards deep, and therefore you’d be doing the table a favor by hitting twice.
One random card is as good as any other - if instead of taking the top card, the dealer were to take the 5th, 10th, or 20th card from the deck randomly, it would not change the game of blackjack one bit. It wouldn’t, and couldn’t matter.
Essentially, what the idiots think is that somehow, by making a non-ideal basic strategy play, you are supermaturally rigging the deck to favor the dealer. There is no way to rationally justify this belief, yet they are completely certain of it.
It only smacks of “I’m an asshole” to people who are too stupid to understand the most basic principles of logic and probability. So actually, this is probably one of the best things you can do - you’re not actually being an asshole at all, yet you can still anger really dumb people. And dumb people are the only people you’ll anger.
Actually, you’re onto something. I think I’m going to start playing blackjack more, sitting at third base, and making the wrong move. Give back a little targetted grief that only affects idiots.
The left fielder falling asleep can lose it for your team. The person at the table who’s making decisions on random, unknown cards cannot possibly meaningfully affect the outcome of the game through their decisions.
:rolleyes:
Oh brother. Yes, because every single aspect of politeness and social etiquette is 100% logical. If there is ever some expectation that is not completely in line with the strictest standards of reason, you should deliberately violate them to offend people. It’s okay, because it’ll only offend people who aren’t as seamlessly logical as you are.
If I visit Vegas and for some unknown reason hit the blackjack table instead of poker, I’m going to do the same thing, due to this thread.
You are saying that the other person is the asshole because they don’t make the decision, with their own money, at a blackjack table, even though it does not meaningfully affect you in any way. This makes you the person with the problem and the person being rude.
The only reason you could possibly consider them being the asshole in this situation is because you are unable to grasp the most basic aspects of probabilities and logic and think they’re somehow hurting you. They aren’t. You are offering a defense of both ignorance and rude behavior here.
Meh, no sweat off my ass. I’ve never lost my shit at the blackjack table, and I’ve also never deliberately pissed off the rest of the table. Basically, I do not engage in rude behavior at blackjack tables. I’m just crazy that way.
What rude behavior am I defending?
In post #20, you said that people who take the dealer’s bust card, (as if people who have the ability to psychically predict that the next card will be the dealer’s bust card and take it anyway) are assholes. If you don’t actually say it to them, then you aren’t engaging in rude behavior, but certanly the thought is there.
The action a person takes for themselves cannot meaningfully make a difference to the rest of the table, because one random card is as good as any other. It is a common belief that has absolutely no logic to support it. Labelling a person an asshole for doing something that has no effect on anyone else is rude. Thinking that their decisions have a meaningful effect is just ignorant.
I already acknowledged upthread that it’s superstition.
Interestingly, perhaps, I also find that if people have a good idea of basic strategy they’re a lot more fun to sit at the table with–that might be the real reason behind the grump a lot of us blackjack types get about people who make non-optimal plays. It’s my experience that people who essentially act randomly or sub-optimally are going to either sit and lose a lot of money in dead silence or they’re going to be loudly angry about how they’re losing so much, and either way it’s going to detract from the atmosphere. It’s also been my experience that $5 or $10 limit tables where I play, part of the culture is everyone coaching everyone else on basic strategy and jibing each other for playing a hunch instead of the “right way”.