To be fair, maybe Reeder can get a free pass the next time he calls Brutus an obscene name in GD. 
I’m pretty sure he said no such thing. I suppose I have not committed to memory each and every post, so I could be wrong. But I think he merely pointed out that in order for the armor to have been available on time it would have had to have been ordered by teh Clinton administration.
Your the one who made the odd statement that you could have planned the war better. Although I suspect that you meant that you would not have gone to war at all rather than suggest that you could have provided the armor the Bush administration did not.
Meanwhile, in other efforts to ensure the safety of our troops, the administration is planning to collect the retinal patterns of all returning Fallujahns.; fingerprints and DNA samples too. Marine commander Geeky McDoofus said of the program “It’s like Humvee armor raised to the power of ten. The troops love the new level of security envisioned by this system.”
I wonder who got the contract for the retinal scanners and database integration?
Another soldier asked the same question 6 months ago – of a General, with Rumsfeld standing right there. They said they’d take care of the problem. Lies and incompetence. Link
People wonder why I’m so inflamed by this administration. Look up evil in the dictionary – there’s their picture!
Let’s get some perspective. Why is it a bad thing when the US troops don’t have armour. It means more of them will be killed and injured.
How is that bad? Remember that the US forces are the criminals in this war. The individuals and body alike. They voted for the party who started it. Let them die, preferably in agony as well as the disgrace they so richly deserve.
Cowards, torturers and bloodlusting liars. Each blow against them is justice and will be supported by lovers of justice.
Donald Rumsfeld, I applaud your contempt of US service people. The same contempt all reasoning people must feel.
I do not wish to defend the actions of the Bush administration, but in direct reference to the OP, I think that Rumsfeld deserves a bit of respect for how he handled that particular question - no beating around the bush, no false promises, etc. A simple, direct and unambiguous reply which is in line with the administration’s actions and current policy position.
It’s a shame that the US military servicemen are in this situation, but they did all sign on the dotted line. As much as being insufficiently equipped is uncomfortable, to call it unjust is a stretch.
In which case he’d still be full of it, as the factory was making 60/month a year ago, and upped production (in October? That’s not quite clear) at the request of the army to it’s current level of 450 a month. They say, conservatively, that they can go up to 500/month.
500-60 = 440/month, which is almost 5300 more vehicles a year than what they were building. The forces are currently 2000 vehicles short of what the commanders need. So if the formal request (and a big-assed check) had come a half a year earlier, they’d have all the armored humvees they need. Today.
Of course, all these facts weren’t readily available when he made his first post, so I can understand his original line of thought.
BTW, Loach, I read what you said about what you can’t comment on, read what points of mine you didn’t comment on, and read between the lines. I think we understand each other.
-lv
Do we have a source that says that this capacity was available that long ago? My understanding was that the company has been increasing capcity for the last several months.
You just went right over the line, sevastapol, even for the Pit. Your strong opinons don’t justify wishing that service people die in agony. You don’t know how soldiers voted, and your extended accusation of criminality, bloodlust, etc. against people who voted differently from you is hateful, not to mention stupid.
If you can’t argue with at least some semblence of sense and decency we will dispense with your presence here.
TVeblen
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(from a previously cited article)
So, assuming a general ramp-up, that’s a capacity of 400 vehicles added over, say, 11 months, and another 100 available over the next 2. That’s adding capacity at an average of, say 40/month.
That’s nothing short of astounding, for a company to be making 9 times as many as it was making last year. I have no doubt in my mind that if this is possible, then it would have been possible to start the ramp-up 6 months prior to when it did. In any case, for Clinton to have anything to do with this shortage, it would have to have taken 4 YEARS to ramp up production to today’s levels, which is ridiculous to assume based on the rate that they did ramp up at.
-lv
My mistake you’re actually right for once. It was Loach
Did Clinton make the decision to send the troops TO IRAQ without armor?
No that was Bush’s choice. He looked at the state of the military, said it’s ready, and sent them in. Hold him, not Clinton responsible ok?
Bush had plenty of time to get the armoring done. What is being done now (because of some wiseass grunt bring it up :rolleyes:) should have been done 2 fucking years ago. Being “unaware” that AH could produce more units is called incompetence. How many other things are they currently “unaware” of right now? Hell, for all we know there could be several other ways available to make more armor we’re not “aware” of at the moment. Better hope another grunt publicly embarrasses a superior, it’s the only way things get done. Btw
Nice eh?
The funny thing is I couldn’t stand Clinton, I didn’t like him much either. I was actually more Republican 2000 and was happy Bush won, because I loathed Gore. I tend to do a wacky little thing called “judge each guy on his own merits”. Because I do that, I don’t really go Dem or Repub, I go with who I think is best. (these days the least of two evils 
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I’m very curious to see the usual suspects respond to getting a court martial due to vehicle cannibalization.
I doubt I’m a “usual suspect”, but from the account I read, that’s an inaccurate description. It wasn’t so much that they cannibalized, it was the fact that they didn’t make any effort to return them to their original owners, and in fact obscured or destroyed identifying markings to make it impossible to find out who originally owned the equipment.
-lv
Seems like the least of their worries over in that shithole.
“Rumsfeld fires back at critics” 12/21/04
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142195,00.html
Can it get anymore pathetic then this?
You go to war against the enemies you have, not the enemies you might want or wish to have at a later time. That’s why you prepare to do so.
The interesting part recently has been all the prominent Republican Senators sensing blood and beginning to circle. Perhaps they’re growing spines again?
Not entirely fair, as Harry had Shakespeare ‘transcribing’ him, but he was recorded as making the same points before the real battle. But which attitude would inspire you to do the best you could? Shit, I’d harrow Hell for the first guy!
Not even the best choice of quotes from “Henry V”, I’m afraid.
More pithily:
Well, there’s his boss, who’s “really pleased” with such incompetence…
From the link
:::wretch:::
Caring? Get them some fucking armor you loser.