Hey, I didn’t bring the subject up. Hentor and Saint Cad were having an interesting discussion and I weighed in. The entire focus from the beginning was on what people think. Sorry you weren’t following along.
I was pointing out that in my opinion Hentor was being a bit naive about how many people think of government employees, particularly in Washington.
I never intended it to be a discussion of facts and figures regarding how many private sector jobs lost vs public sector. You and others did that because you were offended at the insinuation that government employees have it in any way better than everyone else.
Only because you disagree with the objective. Let’s say the situation were reversed and the Dems controlled the House vs The Pubs controlled the Senate and WH. Would you consider it immoral if the Dems shut down the government to ensure true UHC was passed?
Where “almost nothing” is defined as the entire ACA, which was negotiated and voted in by congress years ago, and has survived a supreme court challenge and umpteen attempts to repeal it.
I’m actually in agreement with you and not Terr about the shutdown being used as a tactic. However, when you say it like this it actually make me think it might not be such a bad idea after all.
Cite please? Even if that’s true, it still isn’t a concession to the Democrats. Do you understand what a concession is? Hint, if 100% of your side wants it, you aren’t conceding anything. You’re just adding another demand for your side but trying to use a different word for it.
They put themselves into this corner. They want the Democrats to bail them out so they don’t embarrass themselves? Too late for that, and besides that, why should the Democrats help them out of this self inflicted bad situation? Try a thought experiment for me, if the parties were exactly reversed in this situation would you want the Republicans to toss out a life preserver if the Democrats screwed themselves into an awful position? My guess is no, you most certainly would not.
No. That’s overstating it. But you’ve got me thinking. It might not be that bad for divided government never to be able to pass a major law like ACA again.
Depends on how often it’s used.
Also, define “functioning”. Once the shutdown is over is the government still “functioning” if no laws at all can be passed because of the looming threat of another shutdown?
Again, wrong analogy. But if you do take that analogy as a base, what is more important, the “principle” of not negotiating or the life of the hostage?
To prevent what Democrats are trying to portray as a catastrophe for the country? But then I think Democrats really don’t think government shutdown is that bad, they are just pretending it is.
Never back your enemy into the corner, unless you want a fight to the death.
Do those Democrats favor a rescinded medical device tax as a means of defunding the dreaded ObamaCare, or are they in favor of moving that tax burden onto other shoulders? Makes big difference, yes?
