Do you deny that some decaffeinated beverages today are just as tasty as the real thing?? Because you didn’t mention that, and I think you are ducking the question.
Rah! Rah! Russia! How to make friends and influence Eastern Europe:
Putin is reacting to Yanukovich’s request in a way that Putin views his actions in accordance with international law. And according to Lavrov today in London with Kerry Kiev and Southeastern Regions of Ukraine are not in and plans for Russian military involvement or invasion.
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http://rt.com/news/lavrov-kerry-ukraine-talks-890/
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Still have a problem with context I see. The border between Ukraine and Crimea exists and it matters to my response to RickJay. Your hijack matters not one iota.
And US has until Monday to get lost from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Somali, Palestine, Mali, Ukraine, Georgia, Tajikistan, Libya, Syria, Bahrain, Qatar, Egypt, Sudan, Congo, Africa, Philipine, Japan, Germany, and disassemble her 800+ military bases world-wide.
Has Kerry lost his mind? Or is someone else doing it for him?
“Diplomacy” cowboy style.
The fact that you just classed ‘Africa’ as a country pretty much sums up your argument
Surely you never make a mistake…'cuase obviously, you are perrrrrfect!
Congrats.
That said, what wrote in my post stands – 'cept for Africa being a country. Because, of course, I didn’t know that. :rolleyes:
Have the governments of any of those countries demanded we leave? If not, I don’t see why you think those comparisons are relevant.
Umm, how did you come up with that list?
Does the US have “troops” in Syria, Somalia or “Palestine”?
This has nothing to do with RickJay’s response to you, nor does your off the wall original query concerning a historic border between the Ukraine and Crimea, which is completely irrelevant to the original point…which is why I asked you an equally off the wall question to underscore this.
Here, let’s get in the way back machine and take a look at the whole thing, shall we?
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That isn’t logical at all. I mean, that it quite literally one of the most absurd and simple errors of logic I’ve ever read an adult write in my entire life.
“Ridiculous” does not mean “the opposite of.”
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I wrote that XT must ‘think’ the opposite of what I wrote. That was because XT advised us all that what I wrote was ridiculous. So I asked him in essence if he meant to say it was not ridiculous because I refuse to accept that a sane person preferring a peaceful outcome over the status of Crimea would call my statement ridiculous.
Key words there are ‘I asked’ . You transformed that into ‘I stated’, That was wrong as well as ridiculous.
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[QUOTE=NotfooledbyW]
Putin has not invaded Ukraine. His troops are in Crimea.
Following the total collapse of law and the illegal overthrow the Executive Branch in Kiev Crimean Leaders seized control of all its own security and announced it was separating from Ukraine.
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[QUOTE=RickJay]
At this point your argument has simply lost all coherence. You don’t even agree with yourself anymore. You’re literally saying Russia did not invade Ukraine even though you admit they sent troops into Ukraine, and you’re now saying that Crimea announced it intended to separate from Ukraine before holding a referendum you say is a legitimate one that will decide whether or not they will separate from Ukraine. On top of that, you are, over and over, attributing statements and arguments to other people that they aren’t actually saying.
In effect, you’re now arguing with yourself, so have fun with that.
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[QUOTE=NotfooledbyW]
Do you deny there is a distinct historical border separating Crimea from
Ukraine?
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So, you see, your query about whether RickJay denies that there ‘is a distinct historical border separating Crimea from Ukraine?’ is a total non-sequitur. Oh, I’m sure in YOUR head it makes perfect sense and tracks with…well, something. But wrt the discussion it’s totally out of left field. Which is most likely why RickJay didn’t jump in to reply. He probably strained an eye when they were both rolling, since you, once again, didn’t bother replying or responding to what he actually said, but instead steamed on in some bizarre off the wall direction. As usual for any discussion with you. Which is why I’m kicking myself for even attempting to engage you in this thread…hell, by now you’d think I’d know better. :smack:
I am still ignorant as to why the historic misdeeds of the US excuses Russias current ones. Or is relevant to them.
“One should not throw stones out of glass houses.”
I don’t think that is a very functional analogy. Throwing stones in a glass house is always bad, regardless of your previous behavior. Whereas protesting lawless behavior is always good, regardless of previous behavior.
If I’ve had a speeding ticket at some point, should I be forever barred from protesting dangerous driving? If I got into a fight once, should I never be allowed to protest about muggers?
The notion that previous behavior somehow disqualifies a nation from protesting an armed invasion of another nation is pretty nonsensical.
What exactly do you suggest? That only the leaders of countries that have never done anything wrong can criticise others?
Then I have bad news for you. And for the world. It’s a free-for-all.
Well, how about Spain…are they allowed to criticize Russia over this?
What about the rest of the EU nations that agreed upon sanctions against Russia if they continue to pursue this policy? Can THEY criticize and take action against Russia over this? Or no? I’m trying to figure out who can say anything. I mean, since Russia’s own past is so pristine wrt to other nations and all, characterized earlier in the post about Eastern European nations reactions to the playful antics of their Russian brethren and sistren…
First you must understand that Putin does not regard Russian activities in Crimea as a misdeed. Therefore to be scolded and perhaps sanctioned by nations including the two main perpetrator nations that invaded Iraq in 2003 as they ended peaceful UN inspections, has to be confounding for the Russians to be hearing.
The world did not sanction the US and UK for that atrocity of a misdeed and the Russians are seemingly perplexed at the current double standard.
Had the US and UK been punished by now in proportion to the enormous size of the misdeed of ending inspections in order to invade Iraq, then it may be fairer today to call for sanctions on Russia. But we don’t sanction misdeeds of the US and UK.
I can understand that the lack of sanctions against the US and UK for violating international law that Killed tens of thousands of innocent human beings means that a major atrocity has in essence been excused.
So if it is a case that Russia’s misdeed must be punished, then it is a case that the nations that invaded Iraq should be punished. In the current situation justice is not blind, justice is drugged and addicted to the West.
Nations can criticize all they want. But shouldnt sit on some high moral pedestal when they do it when their immediate past has shown no respect for international law and order. Specifically those that recently committe a crime against himanity but beat the rap because there is no one big enough to haul them in for justice to be served.
Most European nations are lackeys of the US, which surely must come as a huge surprise to you.
As for Spain, the ruling PP Party, is fraught with left-overs with neo-nazis from the Franco era.
So what else would anyone expect but butt-licking?
Is that a yes, or a no?