Do you think this officer’s order to put out the cigarette was a lawful order?
Which was it: I’m putting you under arrest, put out your cigarette so I can take you in or: Won’t put out your cigarette? You’re under arrest!
Lucky you. What inference would you like us to draw from this happy fact?
Plenty of civil rights groups who could have paid for that.
I’m not ready to completely exonerate the jail staff yet. Did the family contact the jail and say the little girl had been suicidal? Did the little girl say she wanted to kill herself? Why would the intake clerk question the arrest? Is there systemic racism in that department? Did the staff help the officer invent a bullshit story?
More than six people know the truth, so it won’t be a secret for very long … I’m okay assuming the jail wasn’t responsible until there’s evidence otherwise.
Her family had a *plan *to keep her in jail for three days and for her to commit suicide but make it look suspicious so they could get a second autopsy and bring down the honest white police officer.
Duh.
I’ll hazard a guess:
Step 1: Tell your family and friends not to post bail, even though that can easily afford to, so that you have the opportunity to kill yourself in jail.
Step 2: ???
Step 3: PROFIT!!!
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I’m not casting any asparagus, here. Just askin’, is all.
It would certainly obligate me to reconsider my understanding of the situation.
Post #35 isn’t mine … there’s a lot of things we could call Bricker, but ignorant isn’t one of them. Not sure why you would hold Bricker responsible for the ignorance of Atwater v. City of Lago Vista nor why you think that ruling was indeed ignorant.
Since when is a 28-year-old college graduate a “little girl”?
Step 1: we don’t care enough about her being stuck in jail to be able to come up with $500 in three days.
No more steps.
Or she didn’t ask for their help. Or they tried and weren’t able. Or they came up with the money but weren’t able to post it on time because it was the weekend (she died on a Monday morning).
Of all the possible interpretations one could come up with of what happened here, “her family are the real villains for not bailing her out fast enough” is by far the strangest.
Why are you repeatedly using the diminutive and derogatory term “little girl” to refer to Miss Bland?
Clash of the morons. Probability of bad outcomes, higher than it should be. However, the policeman was the pro in the situation, so he’s culpable for his mistakes. The department has admitted that he was acting incorrectly and he’s on administrative leave, which he should be.
But man, that lady was an idiot. As watchwolf says above, she really should have exercised her 5th amendment rights. She could have diffused the situation but didn’t, and she paid a far higher price for it than she should have. But seriously, folks, take a clue. This is not the sensible way to behave during a traffic stop! (Especially if you’re black … which is a sad statement.)
He overreacted, but I wouldn’t say she didn’t even raise her voice! They both fouled up at the same moment, losing their tempers over the cigarette. The rest of your post is right on point.
Yeah, it’s pretty funny, getting arrested for resisting arrest. The charges are clearly BS.
No way. Any death that happens as a result of a felony is murder, in most jurisdictions, but I don’t think that you can call what he did a felony. He shares some culpability, but it’s not as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger, not by a long shot.
yeah, no kidding.
I think you need to go back and read both posts. I see no contradictions.
Is there any evidence that she was being arrested for a turn signal violation? Nope. She was pulled over for that. She was being arrested for refusing what the cop calls “a lawful order” but which we don’t really know is lawful.
Clearly a case of a cop pumped up on his own power and abusing it, and of someone who could have easily avoided the trouble but was more interested in making a point than in avoiding trouble. As I said above, that’s stupid, but the price she paid was too high.
We’ll have to see what the evidence shows regarding her death. Frankly, I’m skeptical it was a planned assassination. However, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that there was a coverup. I would be surprised that it had anything to do with the arresting officer.
Me too.
But not these folks, and not a lot of folks I worked with until recently when I changed jobs.
You need to get out more I guess?
Holy shit.
Terr vs Smapti on racism-and-cops-related thread.
And I agree with one of them.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Bondsmen work 24/7 (here is one in the vicinity) Whatever - this is a side issue. I just find it pretty inexplicable that family would leave a family member in jail for 3 days when they could get her out for $500. Wouldn’t happen in my family. Guess families differ.
I don’t know if it has been mentioned here, but a peculiarity of Texas law is that at officer’s discretion they can arrest for any moving violation instead of issuing a ticket.
This is abused in Texas when a driver refuses a search during a traffic stop, they are then arrested for the initial moving violation that initiated the stop and their vehicle “inventoried”.
Bondsmen work 24/7. The officials to whom the bondsman must pay the bail to secure the client’s release don’t.
Correction and the easiest cite I can find from a Texas attorney:
http://blog.matthewharrislaw.com/index_files/TrafficOffenseArrests.htm