Satan in the bible (not witnessing)

[pulykamell]

@Diogenes the Cynic

It’s not a question of “believing,” it’s a matter of objective fact. The Isaiah quote is not a reference to Satan/“Lucifer”/the Devil (a concept that does not even exist in the Hebrew Bible) but a poetic comparison of the king of Babylon to the “Morning Star.” There is nothing in the Bible that refers to Satan being cast down to Earth.

What about Revelations 12:7-9

7* And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war,
8* and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.
9* And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Or is the argument here that this is a different casting out then the one we’re talking about?

[moriah]

@pulykamell

What about Revelations 12:7-9

That’s in the future (maybe, Revelation’s timeline is wacky). If you look at the preceding chapters, there’s a lot of stuff that happens before Satan’s first defeat (there’s two more defeats later on); and that preceding stuff hasn’t happened yet (or, maybe it did in a way that the imagery alludes to, but we don’t know for sure).

Nitpick: Revelation. No final S.

Peace.