Assuming this is the group in question, they don’t seem to be the antithesis of commandments #5-10
For the sake of completeness, here are the Eleven Satanic Commandments:
Kindly note, that for most of us who post to the Straight Dope, or anywhere else on the Internet for that matter, we are in violation of commandments #1, #2, #3, #5, #8 & #11, thus putting all of us at great risk of Eternal Salvation. :eek:
I suppose I know that, and I can totally get on board with the various humanist Satanic organizations and what they stand for. It’s just that the traditional concept of Satan as “The Devil” is not an especially pro-human figure. Not trying to Godwinize, but picking that particular character and redefining it into something secular & nice is a bit like running a sincerely nurturing home for orphaned Jewish children and calling it Uncle Adolph’s Krystallkamp. You can pick whatever name and iconography you want for your organization, but there are some symbols that defy redefinition.
Not really looking to argue for or against anything with respect to OK City. Just kinda thinking out loud–and doing it poorly–that the incongruity of the message and the symbol seems a bit trollish when placed next to T10Cs. For what it’s worth, I don’t much care for the juxtaposition of T10Cs with a government building either. Whatevs. Is there gonna be pie here or what?
Of course it’s “a bit trollish.” That’s the point, I presume. SDMB rules don’t apply IRL. A reaction from the good people of OK City is exactly what they are looking for.
Not just OKC people, they are getting national coverage out of this.
I understand why the Republican state legislators are against this. They’re worried that Satan will stand and salute them when they walk past.
As the post directly above yours points out, those are the commandments of a completely separate Satanist group with very different goals and values.
The entire purpose of the exercise appears to have completely whizzed by about a foot or so over your head. OF COURSE it’s trollish! That’s the whole point! By the tenets of the Constitution (as it’s currently interpreted), the Satanic Temple is exactly as good as the First Methodist Church is exactly as good as the Dearborn Mosque is exactly as good as Temple Beth Israel is exactly as good as The 3rd Dianic Circle of Oakland (Reformed). And the Satanic Temple going to make the courts make OKC treat them that way by shoving this large, ugly statue down their throats, the same way the Baptists/whoever did the 10C statue.
The way to treat this is to say “go ahead, Satanists, commission your sculpture and place it here”. It’s easy to make a drawing of the sculpture. Actually having it done, physically, will cost at least $50K, probably more. You give the go ahead, the idea will fizzle out.
Dianic Circles never reform.
I think you’re liable to wind up with some mighty funny-looking courthouse lawns if you count on that. This is a big country, and there are a lot of groups out there who can probably scrape together a few thousand bucks to put up a statue on some public property that–thanks to the Christianists–has been declared to be a “public free speech forum”.
Get good enough publicity and one of those crowdfunding-type accounts, and $50K might be pretty easy to get.
Kickstarter? Indi go-go? I think you could EASILY get $50k for a statue, probably surpass your goal. I know my husband will give them $1 over the internet, probably more - and I think that there are easily another 49,999 people willing to spent $1 to make this point.
We’ll give another buck to the Wiccans when they put their proposal forward as well.
I draw the line at giving a buck to the Scientologist, even to make a point.
I agree with you, since my go-to is “If one religious statue is okay, then all have to be okay”. Regardless of whether they can scrape together that kind of money or not. But that’s the last thing the majority of city/state governments are going to do away from the huge coastals (and a couple of upper Midwestern).
Pretty sure I saw a kickstarter for this that already had $20,000 for the statue linked on one of the local news sites.
When do we see a monument to Ceiling Cat?
I’ve seen people donate over $10K just to support someone’s fledgling YouTube Let’s Play channel, so yeah, what you said.
Scientology isn’t a religion, they’re an organized crime network.
Does the statue have an erection under his robes to give the kiddies a little poke? 'Cuz real Satan would.
I read an opinion piece from a right wing christian group explaining how freedom of religion in the 1st amendment REALLY means Christians only and not other religions. The mental gymnastics they use never ceases to amaze.
It makes sense, after all many Christians believe that Satan is the ruler of this world…
Also remember in the story where Satan tempted Jesus, he said that he could offer him all of the kingdoms of the world.