Yet he started this thread. Why do you think that was?
You’ve been doing it for a shitload of years now SGotPL. What’s your excuse?
Can I have benzos or smelling salts? 
The fact that in our gender-biased society many women feel resentful about not being good-looking, like the fact that many men feel resentful about not being tall, is not a reason to embrace society’s sexist obsession with focusing on people’s appearance. On the contrary.
We can do both: get pissed off and fight back without letting it ruin our lives. In the process, we as a society can also start changing our typical expectations about what sorts of “male attention” men should feel entitled to subject women to.
Just as white people in general have now learned it’s not socially acceptable to use the n-word, and heterosexual people in general have now learned it’s not socially acceptable to make fun of and ostracize homosexual people, men can learn it’s not socially acceptable to harass and objectify women. Even though a lot of them will grumble and whine about it in the beginning, just as white people and heterosexuals grumbled and whined when they started to realize they were going to have to give up their bigoted behavior.
What’s not going to work any more is condescendingly telling women “just put up with it because nobody’s going to make any effort to improve it”, though.
Well, all I can say then is that your experience was unique.
It would be nice if we had some way to poll a couple thousand ordinary women (and take out the minor stuff like not getting a waiter’s attention or so-called insults to your intelligence, as men believe it or not, can and do encounter the same as well) and get truthful and unbiased answers as to how often any of the offenses you’ve mentioned happened to them. My estimation is that they’ve rarely or never experienced most of them, and to the degree they have, most men have likely faced threats of violent encounters from men at a similar rate.
In other words, a certain percentage of men present a potential for violence. Men come in for some of it, women come in for some of it. IMO, more women need to realize this and stop thinking that their femininity is the font of all male misbehavior. They’d be a lot less convinced that they are being singled out for wrongdoing by men if so, and therefore a lot less prone to view men as the enemy of women and instead realize that both sexes are the recipients of dangerous behavior by a certain small percentage of the male population overall.
Everybody’s experience is unique.
Sadly, being an asshole isn’t.
Ya can’t make this shit up!
See, THAT’S the problem, women don’t exist so that they can be objects of his personal pleasure. I do wonder if the woman in question would appreciate the notion that her value is measured by whether she is worth looking at?
CMC fnord!
I don’t think that’s what he’s saying. He’s saying, ‘That is what women actually want’ despite umpty-gazillion people telling him otherwise.
Well, by the very nature of the comment itself, it’s obvious that he was thinking about a particular woman and his opinion of her attractiveness, and expecting his audience to accept that his opinion of her attractiveness was the aspect of the situation worth talking about.
Not all of them, certainly; and, let’s hope, not even most of them. What most men do have in common, though, is a societally nurtured assumption that their expressions of their opinions about women—whether intended to piss them off, to compliment them, to frighten them, or whatever—are intrinsically important and entitled to attention. And that it’s outrageous and unfair to criticize men for expressing such opinions.
Welcome to the Starving Artist show s20e99!
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He will provide you with insights into his worldview!
He will tell you what he thinks!
He will tell you what you should think!
He will tell you what you said!
He will tell you what he said! (Sometimes the meaning gets lost in in the actual words)
He will not read your posts!
He will not click your links!
He will not consider any viewpoint but his own!
He will post!
Again!
And again!
And again!
Just to repeat!
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He’s not misogynistic, he’s just not a woman.
He’s not racist, he’s just not black.
He doesn’t care what other people think, he’s not them.
He’s the St.Ar!
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Um, no. Do you have any idea of what a gentleman actually is, or does? (rhetorical, it’s obvious from what you post)
As usual, virtually nothing of what I’ve actually said makes it intact through the Kimstu translation machine.
However I have a busy day tomorrow and must call it a night. I realize that I’m largely spitting in the wind while simultaneously tilting at windmills anyway, so in reality there’ll be little consequence to pointing out how and where you were wrong in all this.
Meanwhile, the world will still turn and men will still refer to exceptionally attractive women as hot chicks, and women and girls will still spend billions on makeup and clothing in an effort to try to be hot chicks because of the advantages and sense of pride it provides them. And cranky lefties seeing enemies everywhere will continue to whinge about it, blame men, and ceaselessly go about trying to pound the round pegs of their ill-considered idealism through the square holes of human nature.
C’est la vie.
You’re hilarious. I hope your stand-up gig goes well tonight.
As usual, you assume that if my comments on your remarks make them sound less positive or persuasive than you intended them to sound, it must be because I’ve misunderstood or misrepresented you. The alternative explanation seems never to have occurred to you.
Yup. And eventually, more and more men will come to realize that calling exceptionally attractive women hot chicks in contexts where expressing their opinion of the woman’s attractiveness is irrelevant or inappropriate makes them look like misogynist assholes, and is not considered socially acceptable.
And in consequence, men’s behavior will change to reflect the new social mores about whether and when it’s socially acceptable to call exceptionally attractive women hot chicks. Just as the behavior of white people changed to reflect new social mores about whether and when it was socially acceptable to use racial epithets for black people.
To those inclined to view them that way, yes. But this is merely opinion, not fact. Other people can and do disagree, and they have just as much right to their opinion as you do yours.
Oh, so you speak for society now?
Who was it that said she couldn’t believe Nixon won; nobody she knew voted for him?
I submit that the liberal bubble you live in is not shared by society as a whole.
And with that, I’m out. 
Later, 'tater.
Sure, but that doesn’t make their opinions above criticism, any more than mine is. You seem to be very indignant just because a man who expressed an opinion about a woman’s appearance is being told by other opinion-havers that they think his expression of that opinion in that situation was offensive or inappropriate.
Well, tough: he expressed his opinion, and other people told him what they thought about his opinion. Maybe you should try not being so oversensitive and cranky about it?
No; society speaks for society. When more and more people start objecting that a certain type of behavior is crude, sexist and inappropriate, that’s a sign of changing mores about what is socially acceptable.
You may not have noticed, but objecting to the gratuitous sexualization of women in contexts that aren’t about the women’s appearance is not really confined to a “liberal bubble” anymore.
In fact, it never has been. One of the things I find irritating about this whole issue is that it often gets presented as if respect for women was new or some sort of leftist thing. It’s neither. But the people who think that we shouldn’t bother our pretty little heads deciding what we want, nor bother their ears with saying what we want, present rudeness as “tradition” and even call it manners.
In the words of my Dad, whose left toenail was more of a gentleman than SA will ever be, “‘ladies first’ is just an excuse to look at your butts.”
Well, it is arguably a bit new and leftist to maintain that women deserve to be routinely treated with decency and respect in a non-sexualized manner simply because they’re human beings, rather than because they’re meeting heavily gendered expectations of “ladylike” behavior focused on ministering to men’s feelings and giving men attention.
No. It is new in many societies, but not where I grew up. But then, until very recently our neighbors called us “the Basque matriarcate”, a line which has now been left as an in-joke. And the only thing that makes it “leftist” is the appropriation of “tradition” by people who misuse that word.
I think “hot stud” would be nearly equally inappropriate since it equally dismisses the object’s political intelligence to just talk about his looks. You’d have fewer people objecting because it’s less likely to be the final straw amongst many for a man, but if someone sincerely objected to someone at a hearing being called a “hot stud”, it wouldn’t be kosher to pat him on the head and say “you deserve it, and you like it anyway!” Because we’ve heard that in lots of other situations.
Using simply the term “hot chick” is not very objectionable to me when it is context appropriate. But even then it seems a bit dated, like “negro”. So if you said “when I was young I went to the bar that had all the hot chicks” it would seem weird and somewhat ironic, but not over the line on a message board unless you went out of your way to use the phrase as much as possible.
So if two guys see a nice looking women, and one utters to the other, “Hey, check out that hot chick,” it is considered misogynistic? :dubious:
I wish I had a nickel every time I heard one of my daughters say, “He’s such a hot guy.”
The world has gone mad. How I reminisce about the pre-PC era… 