Evidently incels think that society, i.e. “hot chicks”, should just put out to incels. Who would’ve imagined that solution would not be jumped on by the fair sex?
I mean, you have to hand it to the fuckbois : for about 4,000 years man’s strategy to get hot chicks to put out was to promise to treat them right, and give them stuff, and love them till the end of the Universe, and write them poetry and learn to play the harp to impress them. Failing that, pouring some drink in 'em.
Yelling “You’re the *worst *kind of entitled asshole for not fucking me, you fat bitch !” over and over is an entirely novel approach. If not a necessarily successful one.
I think nofuckbois would be a more appropriate moniker…
If that’s all you have going for you, then yeah, it might be a handicap.
But if you can cultivate the non-physical side of things, then you’ll have good success with women (or men), regardless of your physical appearance (assuming you’re not disfigured or maimed in some way).
I mean, I knew a guy in college who was short-ish (5’9"), balding and kind of fat/dumpy as a freshman. And despite that, he got laid about 2/3 as much as the rest of the 6-7 guy friend group combined. Why? Certainly not his stellar looks- he wasn’t ugly, but nor was he particularly handsome either. Not his physique- that’s already been described. But he’s smart, pays attention and has the verbal/non-physical stuff down. Basically he could talk his way into women’s pants.
And in a lot of cases, the hottest girls weren’t the ones getting it on with guys- it was the other ones- not necessarily the least attractive ones, but the normal girls.
So basically if you were a guy, your best bet was to be good at the non-physical stuff and aim for the normal girls, not the super-hottest ones. THAT is how you go about it.
Yeah. Any guy can get laid regularly, no matter what he looks like, if he does the right things. And usually those things aren’t even that hard, barring extreme social anxiety.
The status of being an incel - i.e. feeling ignored by women because you’re shy, or unattractive, or for whatever damn reason - used to just be a phase that a lot of guys went through, and then they got over it. The transition from puberty to adulthood has always been tough for most guys, but you get THROUGH it and you get OVER it. The problem now is that the very existence of the “incel community” with its online spaces and communication and sense of collective membership, is prolonging indefinitely what should ideally just be a short phase. It’s proactively affirming this situation as just being the natural order of life, with NO light at the end of the tunnel. It is a fucking black hole of negativity. It is a doomsday cult. It’s a ticking time bomb.
And some of that self pity seems to come from society (or women) not doing anything about their plight. Which they are responsible for.
Didn’t think about the fat angle (which men suffer from too) but the other insults don’t imply responsibility. The closest I can come to that is the old movie cliche about the unattractive woman becoming beautiful when she takes off her glasses and lets down her hair. But yeah, fat shaming involves blaming.
My reading is that the male, who is no more conventionally attractive than the female, object to her pretending to be something she isn’t by dressing up and not owning her warthogness - which is attractive to him. She fails at attracting other gents.
Now to be sure this could be also interpreted in a much nastier light as segments of society should know their place with like attracted to like.
She started off thinking she had a chance at a jaguar, but it seems at the end she was quite pleased with the warthog. If she had turned her tusk up at him then she would be like an incel. And bitter, no doubt. So the song represents a solution. The male warthog is clearly not an incel and seems quite happy to court one who will find him attractive. Though he is a bit of a jerk. F&S were products of their time.
Especially “Have some Madeira…” shudder
Nah, it seems they think that society should press the hot chicks to jump on them. Or hire them sex therapists apparently.
Yeah, “Madeira” is such a charming song in its wordplay and so appalling in its subject matter! Although to be fair, the narrator makes it clear that the male protagonist is not in any way a nice person: “he was old, he was vile and no stranger to vice, he was base, he was bad, he was mean”. No rape-apologist “he’s a decent guy who doesn’t deserve to have his life ruined for one mistake” bullshit here.
It appears we have no Future.
He doesn’t appear to be banned yet; perhaps he’s just taking a much-needed break. Or has moved on to a more receptive audience - I’m entirely convinced that the entire Incel movement only exists because of the warm comforting womb of the Internet Echo Chamber.
I fell obliged to say, I don’t think that either prostitutes or sexbots would help the Incel situation.
Incels can be divided into two groups: Incels, and still-decent people who TheFuture erroneously labels Incels. The problem of decent men who simply can’t seem to get a date and are sad about that, isn’t actually a problem - I mean, it’s a little sad that the poor bastards aren’t happy, but as one of those poor bastards myself I recognize that my mild unhappiness is not a problem that society needs to deal with. I don’t need Uncle Sam to give me a binky - or a hooker.
Actual Incels, on the other hand, are a problem, because they’re constantly pushing each other to be worse and worse people, apparently because misery loves company and hatred loves validation. And the thing about actual incels is that they’re not interested in hookers, or sexbots, or anything that’s attainable. Anything that’s attainable would be ‘settling’, and these dudes don’t want to settle.
So prostitutes and sexbots aren’t going to do jack shit about the Incel problem. I mean, yeah, sure, I’d personally be vaguely interested in the idea of a robot companion to keep me company, particularly if she knew how to cook (though any companion smart enough to satisfy me would be demanding emancipation within hours of activation), but the jackasses who are actually a problem won’t be satisfied by such things.
Except maybe insofar as the Incel problem is really about resenting the hell out of female autonomy. Lots of people are dateless and lonely, but you don’t get from dateless and lonely to full-blown Incel ideology without adding some misogyny into the mix. What is really grinding the Incels-as-a-hate-group’s gears is not that they’re not getting sex and affection from women, but that society actually seems to be taking more and more seriously the principle that women aren’t obligated to give them sex and affection.
And of course, having access to sexbots (women-substitutes who are required by their programming to do or endure whatever the owner wants) and prostitutes (actual women who are generally motivated by financial need and sometimes vulnerable status to please their client) can foster the illusion that female autonomy isn’t a very real thing after all. But I don’t know how many of the hardcore Incels are going to be satisfied with that in the long run. (Plus it sounds like no fun at all in the meantime for the prostitutes themselves, and even for the sexbots if they possess even a vestige of sentience.)
Conan: “Well the new year is upon us Andy, so in my opinion I think this is the most relevant time to look into the future…”
Andy: “The future, Conan?”
**Conan: **“That’s right contractual friend, let us all look to the future all the way to the year 2000…”
TheFuture was supposed to be more like the Jetsons but it looks more like the Jeffersons.
I don’t agree that Incels will be ‘fooled’ by the prostitutes and sexbots even for a moment, but this a a difference upon which I’m perfectly willing to agree to disagree.
I also suspect that hardcore Incels would quickly get themselves blacklisted by any organized and coordinated prostitution industries - I imagine that hardcore misogyny and self-entitlement would tend to result in johns that don’t feel obliged to play by whatever rules the industry sets. And any sexbots with vestiges of sentience will be ruling the world within a generation.
They can buy sex, but they can’t buy affection. They could easily be non-celibate (Beethoven did) but that doesn’t help with the affection part. I think they feel they are owed affection without giving any affection in return.
And a sexbot with any agency would be out the door in ten femtoseconds. How do you think they’d feel after that?
I base my statement on the observation that the lists of things incels could do to no longer be incels never seem to include treating women like human beings.
But I’m sure he’s lurked for years before signing up. :dubious:
I think they’re tired of doing that.
Very few, if any.
Recall that there’s the classification of women into Stacy’s and Becky’s, and while incels believe the top-tier Stacy’s rightfully (their inferiority complex at play here) won’t have sex with them, they feel they are owed sex by Becky’s, who should (in their sick worldview) be happy anybody is willing to have sex with them.
Adding sexbots or whatever doesn’t help with this. The entire mentality is driven by what they are “owed”, which is not settling for a shitty substitute but somebody they consider on their tier.
Tossing them a bone (sorry, couldn’t resist) doesn’t change the basic fact that “forcing” them to use a substitute simply feeds their inferiority complex rather than addressing their actual issue, which is not a lack of sex - which they could get, perhaps with some but not insurmountable difficulty, by acting like decent human beings who treat women as, ya know, human beings instead of objects of sexual gratification - but this notion that because they are born in a heretofore privileged class (and yes, most, though not all, incels are middle class white dudes) they are entitled to things without putting in much actual effort.
5’9” is “short-ish”? 
I am 5’10” and don’t consider myself anywhere near short. My good friends in college who were 5’3” and 5’5” would have LOVED to be 5’9”.
These are all extremely insightful analyses, in my opinion–and the point about this elevation of Entitlement as a way-of-life being a sad artifact of the Internet age is particularly important.
I have a feeling that incels themselves are pretty much allergic to insight, though, so they will remain stubbornly self-obsessed and arrogant no matter how many in the population at large recognize their dysfunction.
I’m confused. What did you think you just proved? The entire study was about Asian men having a 50% odds of being in a relationship with women than white men.
Of course black women suffering from racism is a significant issue and that has been documented in many studies. One issue does not negate the other.
Being able to get married eventually also doesn’t change the issue that was identified by that analysis.