I’m curious what this is supposed to say about women or incels. Or what incels are supposed to be “right” about. Is it some “women want to be raped” nonsense?
For example, if you look at the actual study spun on the incels wiki as “62% of women have rape fantasies”, what it says is that among 355 female undergraduates, 62% had ever had a rape fantasy, with the median frequency of such fantasies among that 62% being 4 times per year. So it’s fair to say that about two-thirds of women never or almost never fantasize about being raped.
Other research indicates that men and women are about equal in their tendency to fantasize about being forced to have sex: 28.9% of women versus 30.7% of men. Fantasies about forcing someone else to have sex, on the other hand, are reported by 10.8% of women and 22.0% of men.
In short, a tendency to fantasize about raping or being raped is not uncommon (though not a majority characteristic) among men and women alike, and they have little or nothing to do with what people seek in their real-life sexual experiences. But of course that mundane conclusion is not what the people on incels wiki want to hear, since they tend to be heavily invested in misogynistic notions of women being subservient sluts who just want dominant men to abuse them.
Plenty of people like to read murder mysteries who have no desire at all to be exposed to an actual murder, whether as the murderer, the victim, the detective, or even the incidental neighbor halfway down the block.
Ah. See, that’s a key thing that the incel wiki misrepresented. Have had =/= have.
We are just going to have agree to disagree. Other than the “these and those”, which is euphemistically amibgous everything else is something that the poor dear warthog did to herself (and could be easily undone) rather than having been inflicted upon her by nature. I’m also influenced by the cover of the recordI grew up with which features a gussied up but distinctly unsvelte she hog.
You seem to be missing the point with incels. Even if your hierarchy is correct (and it is correct on the average, not for each woman) a person in the second place group is not out of the running.
White Southern men around 1960 would no doubt in a poll prefer white women to black women. The absurdity of this as a general rule was demonstrated by Professor Lenny Bruce.
I know this is men choosing women, but it is just as applicable as women choosing men.
Obviously you can create a hierarchy of what men consider attractive in women, but given the mix of characteristics men trade off one for many others (like brains.)
Incels don’t seem to have figured out that they need to do this tradeoff.
I’m sure that most men would prefer a woman who is gorgeous, brilliant, great at love, amusing, and a great mother and everything else - but my wife is already taken.
Fair enough, but I refer you to the artwork for the song’s original sheet music publication (about halfway down the page), in which the warthog maiden is depicted as decidedly more oomphalicious.
TheFuture, I guaranfuckingtee you that if someone posted citations to 130 studies pointing to conclusions people here wanted to believe, they would not be throwing up all these roadblocks and obfuscations and slow walking everything to death. The confirmation bias here is thick as molasses. :rolleyes:
No kidding! Like, is this a proposed solution to the problem of incels? They’d be okay if only they could rape more women and the women would be okay because they secretly desire that? That’s all kinds of fucked up.
I have bad news for incels. Your brain is wired to squirt dopamine at you so that you will chase a reward. However, your brain does not squirt any dopamine at you for actually achieving said reward. So people who obsess about sex or romantic relationships or what have you are up for some real disappointment if they ever actually manage to fulfill their fantasies. Learn to control how your dopamine affects you and you can do anything. Let it control you and you’ll always be chasing a reward that is forever out of your reach.
Well, then it should had been easy to find faults in the citations of groups like Skeptical Science when they do use peer review to point at more than 180 studies that show how dumb would be to ignore climate change.
Thing is that by experience, many of the pseudoscience obfuscators would then ignore that because, they are relevant citations for the matter at hand, and not from a group that does just pretends that it does. And BTW I do not point at the wall of cites usually because in actual discussions I do look at the cites and concentrate on specifics or cite the actual research.
Again, the conclusion for the first study the incel wiki pointed at is not much applicable to what they claim. It could be relevant “to only a subset of women” that do not follow good advice regarding relationships. Very little to do about incels.
Maybe if TheFuture actually addressed the first few takedowns of one of their cites (like this one), rather than just Galloping on…
but yeah, confirmation bias, sure, pal. :rolleyes:
Slacker’s an incel? Or incel-curious? Or Red Pill or whatever? What a shock.
Likewise, I enjoy funny cat videos. I do not want a cat. I don’t even particularly like cats. But I like the videos.
Based on what he’s said, naah, he’s married with kids or something. But he is generically asshole-sympathetic, and I think it comes from that. Or his usual racist-inspired Freeze Peach shit, take your pick.
Well, someone here is thick as molasses. We know that.
I remember seeing an older documentary on that very subject.
Sure, but who doesn’t want a nice doggo?
I have it on good Charlotte authority that girls don’t like boys; girls like cars and money.
*Girls who want boys who like boys to be girls who do boys like they’re girls who do girls like they’re boys…
*
It’s all such a blur.
It’s ok. A thousand years from now there’ll be no guys and no girls. Just wankers. Sounds great to me.
Yes, yes, but do you know what boys want?
CMC fnord!
:rolleyes:
I have been married, to two different women (consecutively, with a gap in between) for 15 out of the past 20 years. Two kids from each marriage, four total. And:
“Incels and especially the red pill crowd do not deserve to be defended. They are truly horrible people.”
Got it? :dubious: