Oh I hope it was clear how tenuous my certainty was on the matter. Everyone I know in Scotland is pro-independence. I don’t know all of their creeds as it never comes up but they’re all kinda artsy/music/theatre etc. types, so a thin slice of Scottish society overall.
Apropos of nothing, I once heard Craig Ferguson on Comedy Central remark that Scotty was the one ST:TOS character he and his friends could not understand.
I understand about 99% of that sample. In fairness my dad spoke a version of the Scots leid but to deny that those lads in that video were speaking Scots seems odd to me.
And I’ve been going to Scotland regularly for the past 39 years. Plural of anecdote is not data etc etc. Just offering my perspective.
For the record I actually don’t want to make out that they’re nasty up there (or even down there, considering where I live now), I am half-Scot after all and am having great “fun” trying to slowly educate pretty much everyone in Sweden about the structure of the UK (where “England”, “Great Britain” and “United Kingdom” are all used interchangeably). As an example, we were watching the Sweden-GB women’s curling at work and someone called them the “English team”, despite the Scottish accents.
On the thread’s topic, I really hope they don’t go independent as, frankly, I like things how they are. But if they do I hope I qualify for citizenship and if I do I will definitely be ordering my passport.
I think it’s probably gender. The type of arsehole who tells an Englishman to fuck off home is often also the type who wouldn’t say that to an Englishwoman. Especially if she’s pretty.
Yah, fair enough, and I was just trying to point out that it’s possible to find anti-English sentiment, most certainly, and it seemed to be what crucible was seeking. You’ll even get drunks at parties being rude to you, a trait that is unique to Scotland :D. But we’re not all sat here simmering in a rage of hatred, we’re really not.
And where I came in was that we’re most certainly not upset with the English because of the things that happened centuries ago.
The English (and other British) and the Irish (or certain factions of them) have been in murderous conflict a lot more recently than centuries ago.
Anyway, in practice, most Irish and English people (and the British and Irish governments) get along fine, just as English and Scots do. Most Irish people are not full full of seething hatred for the English, just a few loudmouths, and similarly, only a few English bigots (and a few more Northern Ireland Orangemen) hold the Irish in contempt.
since the English killed most of those who supported Charles, or rewarded some with the lands and cattle of the ones who did, or sent them off to the colonies, or made sure they never again voiced an opinion about the rightful ownership of the crown…I’m not at all surprised that Scots don’t dwell on the events of 250 years past.
But, truly, the English acted as conquerors of the country, not just as the defeaters of the pretender (in their opinion) to the throne.
Northern General Sherman cut a path through the south from Atlanta to the Atlantic and up to Charleston SC, his men foraging as they went, destroying any industry they found on the way, but not maliciously killing and raping. But, 150 years later, Southerners still call the ‘March’ an atrocity. Cumberland had his men kill any wounded they might find, and march onward, killing any Scot found with a weapon, raping any woman or girl they could catch, burning people in their homes and barns…earning Cumberland the title of Butcher. I can not believe that Scots of today regard this as events from centuries ago from which we should draw no evidence of the way the English think of the HIghlander or Clansman.
Apparently, based on the small sample here, I’m completely wrong. Scotland must be the only place in the world where the conqueror and butcher is embraced and loved so well.;);)
