I’ll take that bet, if you give me 7 points.
Sadly, a touchdown is closer than 7 percentage points, which is a landslide.
Notwithstanding Walker’s potential criminal matters, it does seem that Wisconsin agrees with his agenda regarding the unions. Make no mistake, this is a massive blow to organized labour in Wis.
Yes, I agree. And I think the unions made it worse by this recall effort. Now there’s a huge spotlight on the issue, a race that will dominate the news cycle instead of being one of several gubernatorial races. And I am quite pleased, obviously, with the result, which I hope will embolden other states to go after their public sector unions and realize similar savings, while the unions continue to react with ineffective, baffled fury.
What have you got against labor unions? Serious question.
The Capital Times ripped the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal for doing that endorsement.
In a more recent editorial the Cap Times scorched the right wing on their accusations of vote fraud.
Editorial: Why are Walker allies so rattled by early voting?
Read more: Editorial: Why are Walker allies so rattled by early voting?
Agreed. This was the wrong fight at the wrong time.
Can I chime in?
Have you been on the buyer end of the deal when dealing with a union?
They have work rules that are crazy. Set up your own display at McCormick Place? Nope, that’s a union job, you must pay through the nose to get it done.
Can I plug in my display? Nope, that will be $55 for a union electrican to do it.
Can the foreman help get the machine running again by bringing a wrench over to the mechanic. Nope, that’s a grievance.
Hey, we caught this guy who made a nest of packing material in an out of the way spot so he can sleep on the job, can we fire him? Nope.
My brother in law is a union steward at Kohler. Even he says a good worker has no need for a union. The nest story came from him.
Who is crazier, the union that demands them, or the employer who agrees to them?
Your brother in law? Well, that certainly settles that, the brother in law is the hydrogen bomb of anecdotal evidence. Too many for me, I fold.
So, no need for unions. Because the past is over, all that terrible shit that happened to working people in America, that’s all over now, no need for unions. Heartless greed has been banished from our nation, has it? Now, the working man can rely on the Christian charity and morality of management and owners. Men who would never ever exploit another man for a few extra bucks.
Are there any unicorns in this story? I like it when there are unicorns in my fairy tales. Just no kissing. Don’t like kissing books.
Please explain to me how unions defeat heartless greed.
They don’t. In fact, the unions are motivated by their own self-interest, too. The point isn’t that they defeat greed; it’s that they balance it.
Who is crazier, the corporations that demand tax incentives, or the Governors who grant them?
So 11.8% of employees balance greed with unions.
The rest are victims of hearthless greed?
From linked article “She was an undocumented Mexican immigrant "
Maybe she should go through the legal process of becoming a US citizen, then she could report the crimes of her boss.
Where do I start?
If this were 1910… nothing. To the contrary, unions were of great value in 1910.
Today, I feel unions are more parasitic than positive. Unions inflate the value of labor and reward mediocrity. They encourage support for labor as a principle in and of itself, not because they add value tothe product they produce. Unions focus on protecting the employment of their members, with seniority being the key criteria for reward, rather than job skill or ability.
I don’t favor the elimination of unions, but I do favor their power being dramatically reduced, as long as their focus continues to be on rewarding the guy who’s been there the longest.
Would you grant that employers have it in their interest to abuse employees for whatever they can get away with? And that unions are a way labor fights back?
It seems like wanting to do away with unions is like wanting to do away with environmental regulations or vaccines. “Why do I need vaccines? I’ve never even met anyone with polio!?!” “Why are there environmental regulations? The rivers are clean?!?!”
That is to say, it seems like hating unions is a symptom of not understanding that we’re here where we are now, because of them. And getting rid of them will cause backsliding.
For fuck’s sake, people, this recall is not just about unions!!!
12 Reasons to Recall Scott Walker in 2012 (PDF)
http://www.unitedwisconsin.com/top-ten-reasons-to-recall-scott-walker
I made no claims regarding tax incentives, so I don’t know what you are talking about. If you don’t have an answer for my question, just say so.