Ask and ye shall receive.
Long overdue pitting.
A wall? Here’s one.
It’s not even true, anyway. Support surged after the referendum to 52% but has since fallen back to 46%.
Cite?
Scottish media is full of people saying that although they voted NO in September, they were now considering supporting separation. It will be interesting to see the polls after the SNP victory on May 7th- there is a real crst of the wave feeling currently.
And a lot of people said they were considering supporting separation but voted NO in September. So?
It’s a once in a generation chance, as Salmond explained to you. Check the winds again in a generation from now.
There is no meat to the argument that it is a once in a generation event. It is no part of the Constitution and is merely a political claim made by one side.
Should the demand for separation become a consistent pressure via SNP dominated Holyrood and supportive opinion polls, it will be very difficult to avoid a second bite. Even Ruth Davison (Scottish Conservative leader) has said that if the demand is obvious it will be impossible for Westminster to refuse it.
Wow. You demoted Salmond from the Second Coming to just some meatless political guy in a matter of weeks.
It was agreed by both sides prior to the referendum that it would be binding for a generation, if the vote was no. The SNP calling for another referendum before that is no different to, theoretically, the Tories calling for another referendum in the case of a “yes” vote. It proves the SNP to be liars, haters of democracy, and betrayers of their constituents.
I actually kind of hope we do end up with a short-lived (as that’s all it could be) Lab-SNP government, as it would lead inevitably to several terms of glorious leadership by The Boris. Be careful what you wish for.
You are going down the same path as Quebec separatists, and it has led them to irrelevance and doom. You’re heaving yourself off a cliff and think you’re flying.
The effect of this isn’t going to be what you think it is. You have no idea what the SNP is doing to its cause and itself, because you are a perfect example of exactly how the cause of Scottish independence will destroy itself.
No idea at all. If you’d listen, I could explain, but I don’t think you will.
Isn’t the PQ still a major factor in Canadian politics? Or are you saying they just quietly dropped the secession platform some time ago and politely no longer mention it?
46% means 37, maybe 39, tops.
If independence does not have a HUGE lead going into a referendum, the result will be no. More importantly, the sooner Referendum 2 is held, the larger the lead must be. If the SNP were to force a referendum in 2016, no lead smaller than 70% support would indicate any chance of a Yes vote of 50%+1. And I may be conservative in that guess.
Um, how much of this is proveable? This kind of hubris is what led to the unexpected spike in support for independence last year.
Just to clarify, there are two major separatist parties; the PQ, which runs in provincial politics, and the Bloc Quebecois, which runs for federal parliament.
The Bloc was blown out of the water in the last federal election; after holding a majority of Quebec’s seats since 1993 they were reduced to below-official-party-status in 2011. They had something like 58 seats and now have 3. Their prospects for this year’s election are grim; if things do not improve really quickly and unexpectedly the party’s existence is in doubt.
The PQ remains the primary opposition party to the Liberal Party in the provincial legislature, but they do so by making themselves not really a separatist party; they downplay that aspect of their platform and instead spend most of their time as a social democratic / Quebec Values alternative to the Liberals. When they DO play up separatism, their support drops like a crooked boxer. In last year’s election, when they held power going in, they appeared to be headed for a landslide victory. Then their star candidate openly stated their intent was a referendum as soon as possible - and their support promptly collapsed and they lost an election no one believed they could lose. Badly. They basically have to pretend to not be a separatist party in order to win elections.
That is the SNP’s future.
Remind me again how the referendum turned out, and where the polls said support was just prior to the referendum?
If I remember correctly, support for Scottish independence prior to the polls was about 30%, and it ended up at 45%. So I don’t think assuming support for independence will go down is a wise assumption.
Beat me to it. I was moderately anti Independence two years ago. Eighteen months of Project Fear moved me well over to the other side. I believe the way the Conservatives and other Unionists are acting now is compounding the felony and will drive more people to demand a second bite.
Interesting discussion point but possesses no more supportive evidence than any contrary assertion.