Sorry officer. How much is the fine? Any points?
I can’t say it. Really I can’t. Can someone else please drop into this thread and say it? Because I’m trying to be good and have a serious discussion, so I can’t say it.
I would, manhattan, but I’d probably get yelled at. 
Esprix
I would, manhattan, but I’d probably get yelled at.
Esprix
Quit all the smug snikering and bullshit guys and say what you want to say. What gives?
Meanwhile I’ll say what I think… what’s GD about this thread??? Are we discussing whether or not those passeges quoted in the OP are in the bible? Are we discussing their relevance to our times? Are we discussing their meaning? What? Cause I seem to have missed the point here - Is there one?..or are we just going to sit around and quote randomly from scripture, line and verse, to impress each other?
Quickie honey, they were just trying to refrain from committing crucifixion jokes.
Kimstu
Genesis 19:31
And the firstborn said unto the younger, our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth.
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the youner, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father; let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
And they made their father drink wine that night also; and the younger arose; and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.
Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.
(Isn’t that inspiring? I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.)
I really want to learn why heavy-duty Bible literalists feel like Jesus is worship-worthy. Please don’t hit the guy with all the “Bad God” passages.
I have every confidence that jenkinsfan has read (and has had read to him by others) each and every one of those passages. I have equal confidence that he has an explanation of them that makes perfect sense to him but not to a non-believer.
What I want to know is what makes people worship the Christian God even when the stories about Jesus are taken in the best possible light.
Please?
Well, since the whole thread is kinda pointless and comedic, not to mention that the OP seems to have disappeared. I’ll post the obvious joke.
Jesus goes into this hotel, gives the desk clerk three nails and asks, “Can you put me up for the night?”
This is a lot funnier when told at an Easter Sunrise service.
How about these:
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that He should lie, Nor a son of man, that He should repent
I Samuel 15:29
And also the Eternal One of Israel will not lie nor change His mind; for he is not a man, that He should change His mind.
Psalm 146:3
Do not put your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no salvation!
I Kings 8:27
For will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee; how much less this house that I have built?
Excuse the Insertion / Intrusion /Redirection …
Gaudere Moderator
This is an essentially duplicate OP, so I’m closing the one with the fewest posts. The Jackel (and others), please submit your responses to jenkinsfan’s scripture quotes in his other “Scripture verses” thread at …
QuickSilver Member
Quit all the smug snickering and bullshit guys and say what you want to say. What gives?
Meanwhile I’ll say what I think… what’s GD about this thread??? Are we discussing whether or not those passages quoted in the OP are in the bible? Are we discussing their relevance to our times? Are we discussing their meaning? What? Cause I seem to have missed the point here - Is there one?..or are we just going to sit around and quote randomly from scripture, line and verse, to impress each other?
Manhattan Moderator
Oh, come on guys…
I really want to learn why heavy-duty Bible literalists feel like Jesus is worship-worthy. Please don’t hit the guy with all the “Bad God” passages.
I have every confidence that jenkinsfan has read (and has had read to him by others) each and every one of those passages. I have equal confidence that he has an explanation of them that makes perfect sense to him but not to a non-believer.
What I want to know is what makes people worship the Christian God even when the stories about Jesus are taken in the best possible light.
Please?
Genesis 6 : 2 Job 1:6
Genesis 6:6,7 And the Lord was very sorry that he had made man on the earth and he was grieved in his heart. (7) So the Lord said,"I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them
My mind is not made up I am struggling with this decision on so many levels … and **is simply quoting scripture witnessing … I would rather see a Sermon then hear one… **
Ok the flip side is that if not for select devout Christians my life would be so much worse … but it is because of what they have done the examples, that I see in their lives the love the sincerity, unselfishness etc . I admire and love these individuals but I cannot honestly say that Christians alone posses these qualities nor are all Christians the same :D"Good People".
I really wish that I could simply accept and believe yet I know that can not be … It is not a matter of proof or study … nor is it for lack of honest effort … being who I am, seeing what I see, feeling as I feel … it is beyond my ability to suspend so much of my core self to follow a doctrine / dogma (which was almost good my rating 4 out of 10 sorry detour) which leaves (“In My Humble Opinion”) so much unquestioned…
I will close now … Trust me … I did not mean to attack you …
**JENKINSFAN : **Yes, at one time in the book of Genesis the world had become so morally deprived that it grieved God because of the wickedness, but He didn’t destroy the earth (in case you didn’t notice the human race is still around. We are made in God’s image, according to the Bible, and sometimes even God became frustrated with His creation but He always gave them a chance to repent and be saved. Even though judgement came from the passage you quoted in the form of a flood, anyone who wanted to be saved was warned of the coming judgement and was given the option of safety by being allowed to join Noah and his family on the arc. God’s invitation of mercy is to everyone.
Sir, God is love. He created love, and He loves you.
Sorry but if I read those passages correctly innocent animals of all sorts were destroyed without an offer of rescue only those that Noah provided for … also infants and others who could not decide for themselves ( most females probably would have fallen into this category) also were subjected to the same punishment as “the most vile sinner”. I like you believe God is Love however I question not only the account but more importantly to me the motives attributed to God and the reaction of modern day Christians to this and similar passages.
OK we had to kill 50 million individuals but humanity was preserved was that not merciful ??? I have a problem with that logic (I made you … If I take you out I can make another … So do not feel special).
I do have a personal (sort of) question for you why is it necessary that the Bible be literal in order to have a belief in GOD … Why can not the book(s) be examined without automatically concluding that act in itself declares a disbelief in the Creator…
**Thank You Ladies & Gentleman your input is important and appreciated …
Acts 20 : 9 -12 :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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St. Matthew, chapter 30, verse 5, where our Lord reminds us, vex not thy neighbour whilst he toileth!"
Good Thinking I have to try that technique …
(Unless of course there are more than 28 chapters in other than NIV or Kings James versions)
Deuteronomy 22 : 12
I would also add Deut 22:8 / 22:9 / 22: 11 & last but not least 22:5
I can not help myself sometimes when reading the bible to just think ** SAY WHAT !!! 
Sorry assumed (was lazy) that others would have a Bible handy …:o
Deut 22: 8 When you build a house then you shall make a parapet for your roof … if anyone falls from it.
Deut 22: 9 You shall not sow your vineyard with different kinds of seeds …
Deut 22 : 11 You shall not wear a garment of different sorts, such as wool and linen mixed together…
Deut 22 : 5 A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garmet for all who do so are an abomination… ( do we need to reconcile vs 5 & vs 12 
There is both a serious and a totally whimiscal side to these verses … Honestly I would like input from both sides … and also from other Faiths (Islam …Buddism etc) …
Hi manhattan,
Let’s see if I can at least attempt to answer some of your questions.
It is allegorical to some extent, but the meaning is clear. God comes first in your life, always, without exception. If you’re not willing to drop it all and follow God, your heart is not where it should be. Of course, your acceptance of this hinges on your belief (or lack thereof) in Jesus as the Word Incarnate. Also, on whether or not the physical is of the greatest concern in all of this.
Yes, but keep in mind that the doubting occurred prior to the Resurrection. Post-Resurrection, they all (save John) willingly died horrific deaths as martyrs, proclaiming the Gospel with their dying breaths. If the events were made up out of whole cloth, why would they die proclaiming them? And does the fact that they were willing to do so tell us anything, 2000 years later?
I can give you a million reasons, but in the end they are experiential and only matter to me. I know the transformation that has taken place within me, through no effort or motivation of my own. In fact, I was dragged kicking and screaming through most of it. But it’s not a very good reason for you to believe, unless you could see the before and after versions of me. Then you’d have all traces of doubt removed forever.
Buncha nuts followed Do and Ti as well and were willing to die because they thought they were going to hitch a ride on Hale-Bopp. Willingness to be a martyr for a cause does not make that cause any more true. Besides, it’s much easier to die for a belief that it is to live for it.
Ah yes, I agree, which is why I didn’t bring up any of the martyrs in the interim. But the Apostles would have been in a prime position to know whether or not this was true.
Nicely done, Amulet.
I’m not sure I’m adding anything new here, but I’ll answer manhattan thusly: Taking your question to a silly extreme, we would read only of naked, starving apostles in the NT, those believers having dropped trou, bread, money and anything else they may have had in their fanny packs on the side of the road–that is, if only the strictest literal interpretation of Jesus’s implorations were correct and the apostles were up to snuff in following the by-laws.
Not so much as a mouthful of food would have been acceptable (“How can you think about food, you piker, when God is on deck waiting to be worshiped?”), taking your interpretation as far as we can.
Jesus didn’t expect this; consequently we don’t read of apostles dropping in their tracks to rapturously starve to death, having pledged God’s fraternity. Jesus meant, I think, God has to come first.
BTW, I forgot to include this in my OP. I wasn’t trying to get a debate started but rather just witness. It was my intentions to simply post a few “reminders” of God’s love and let the posters respond however they wished.
God bless,
jenkinsfan
Manhatten: One thing that you must consider…the Gospels are hardly direct quotes from Jesus…there are many who believe they weren’t even written by the Disciples…the Gospel according to Matthew for instance, could have been writted by some 3rd century religious figure who studied with a guy who once travelled with some other guy who’s great grandfather once had tea with Matthew. I’m exaggerating of course, but you get the point.
Bob Cos …that is, if only the strictest literal interpretation of Jesus’s implorations were correct and the apostles were up to snuff in following the by-laws.
Amulet…Yes, but keep in mind that the doubting occurred prior to the Resurrection. . Post-Resurrection, they all (save John) willingly died horrific deaths as martyrs, proclaiming the Gospel with their dying breaths.
Amulet…I can give you a million reasons, but in the end they are experiential and only matter to me. I know the transformation that has taken place within me, through no effort or motivation of my own. In fact, I was dragged kicking and screaming through most of it. But it’s not a very good reason for you to believe, unless you could see the before and after versions of me. Then you’d have all traces of doubt removed forever.
I am very much interested in your conversion experiences …
and what and why you believe… The person I was 5 years years ago is vastly different from who I am today and Religion (the search for meaning, the acceptance / revelation of my spiritual worth) had a significant part in that transformation … However just as my actions decisions and yes beliefs placed me in my past condition and circumstances… I must accept part of the credit for my recovery … True I was less then totally self motivated and I recognize the roles others played in presenting me with opportunities and insights without which I would / could not have arrived at my current state … I am truly grateful / worshipful to the Creator and to Creation … I am not looking for proof… DO you all agree / feel that the Bible must be taken in its entirity as the inerrant truth and the only revelation of God?
Are you aware( &/or accept the possiblity) of documented contemporary disagreement to many of the conclusions and doctrines which were developed in the 1st century … Many of the Gnostics (the existence of whom I am just discovering) were also eye witness to Jesus … and also martyred … not to mention many Jews … I am not stating this as authority … merely as a form of witnessing …
1 - Peter 3:15 …and always be ready to give defense to everyone who ask you a reason for the hope that is within you …
Final Note I have no problem accepting the Gospels as accurate 1st Century documents written by contempoaries to Jesus