Of course Peeker is an outspoken player, I haven’t gone to check but, he is in the top half of total posts for this game. I think that early in the game it is better to lynch player who aren’t giving us anything to base a decision on because on Day 2 we will know as much about Scuba, if he doesn’t come back with answers, as we do on Day 1. Lynching a quiet townie doesn’t give us information but neither does keeping them around. Given a choice between two poor cases I’d rather lynch the player who is being quiet because at least the other one could put their foot wrong again in the future.
I’m not sure if I’m being clear but the way I’m looking at it is that; I don’t believe the Peeker case to be good, I think Scuba’s actions have been questionable but not necessarily scummy, Peeker is posting so we can uncover more about his motivations, Scuba hasn’t been posting much and it will take many Days at the rate to uncover anything about his motivations. I think that with this scenario it is a better play to put a vote on Scuba to give him incentive to give us more information. If we don’t get that information I think the best play would be to lyse Scuba over Peeker because we at least know that Peeker will post enough that if he is scum we will have more posts to find it.
OOG: My Company switched over to websence which has already blocked the Game room and just blocked me when I tried to post this originally. My connectivity may drop to me posting at nights from my phone. if you guys have any idea for a way around I’d appreciate it.
I think this is interesting, but not as strong a point as Freud and Meeko seem to think.
Alka interpreted ‘niller’ as Claiming Vanilla Town. That’s a specific role claim.
Vanilla is a specific role.
Plankton though, while indicated to be Vanilla, could possibly be argued to be a substitute for Town. I don’t remember an in-game term for “Town.” Scum seems to fit for Scum, since they are pond Scum.
So, while it’s possible Alka slipped on revealing non-Vanilla-ness, I’m not as sure of that as Freudian and Meeko seem to be.
I read the vanilla role PM (I’m not saying whether I received one or not). The short answer to “plankton is ambiguous” is that it’s true with the publically available information we have in this setup. I’m always very careful about not revealing if I have any extra information or not (either would help the scum to fish).
I wanted to go back and look at Scuba_Ben since I found out what Snuggling meant.
Since Snuggling, and especially snuggling on Meeko appears to have been a trusted Scum strategy in the past, I am also looking at Scuba_Ben being Scum. Of course, that is always the underlying premise in an extended review.
**I Did not capture every Scuba_Ben post, only those that reference me, or ping me. **
I did leave some out, that I felt were fluff. I don’t think I got anything out of context, but I am stating this ahead of time before I begin.
I began this post when the thread contained exactly 500 posts. Obviously, posts after that are not included.
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Long psuedo-WOW begins now. **
This was pre-game, but I thought it interesting that Peeker’s case against him has a similar preliminary vote declaration. Either we should back off on Peeker, or pile on Ben if we continue to press Peeker on his Sach or Story vote.
We see here that Scuba motions to keep the option for a double player lynch open. The last line could be an innocent aside for town, by town. It could also be a coded message for scum, by scum.
I grabbed this here so the following would have context. A point is raised that there is a boon of Townie-cred here via scum making an “auto-vote” on spawn.
A Second motion to keep double player lynch open.
A Third motion. If a scummy Scuba needs to lynch two pondies, he can simply go back to this cache of previous reasons and use the one he wants at the time he needs to use it.
A two for one. Scuba_Ben mentions the Vig from Lost. B.K.A. yours truly. Snuggle? Smudge? Coded Scum message? It’s all that and more!
I am leery of Scuba’s several methods. I am more leery of a Scummy Scuba’s several methods.
No. But I bet you would do it in A summer when you make a double player lyse.
Wow. I take back what I just said. If you could get me snuffed in the first summer, it would go a long way for you, wouldn’t it?
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Ack! People are on to me for Snuggling raccoon-boy? Reel it in!! Damage control!!!**
I used this quote before, and I use it again here, because I naturally thing that Amrussell is on to something.
I’m leaning there with you Digger.
I touched this one before too. I can’t imagine that Scum have ever broken into “How do we solve a problem like Meeko”. WIFOM : Would Scum have a better read on how I affect Mafia, than I do on myself? Would they then use that against me?
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And how do they feel now, that I totally obliterated any resemblance of my previous play style ? **
Scuba, could you please explain this? It appears to me you just said "I am going to go look for pondies and vote them."
And finally, admitted non-sequitur here. Alka - Is your last line here meant for Town, or for Scum?
Reviewing the game in order to make my above WOW post got me thinking about Peeker.
The point has been raised that Peeker as scum would not have made the play he appears to be making.
So, when I read peeker’s posts, is he feeding me Peeker brand wine, or Scum brand wine?
Either way, I don’t think peeker as scum would engage the entire thing for as long as he has. My bet is he got baited by Pond. I think the reactions are Peeker’s first, and his alignment second.
More noise than signal right now, and I think we hit on something else in the interim.
I could be wrong here. But I think I talked myself into a second unvote. My reasons are in the WOW-ish post above.
Also something else I wanted to hit on earlier, Re Storyteller ;
We would all jump on #2, right? Lynches are our tool, our way of getting information. Even if they are sloppy, two lynches without the Scum getting to Night kill is always a plus; it’s as if a Doctor had a successful protection. Well, the present situation, sans Spawn lynch, is, essentially, option #2.
I’m not sure this is the right math, or the right way to look at it. I don’t think a Non-NK == Doctor Protection.
Ugh, I hate when you do this. Are you saying ‘niller’ rings a bell because it is similar to Vanilla? Because it could also be similar to ‘Miller’ in which case you’re going to have to be lysed eventually.
I’m not convinced that peeker’s play has been pro-scum which is always my primary goal in making my votes. But in the absence of a player making pro-scum posts, my voting falls back to those with anti-pond behavior. At this point, I’m concerned about some of the aspects of peeker’s posts with regards to his reactions to getting voted and see them as Anti-Pond even if not blatantly pro-Scum. So for now I will
I reference/quote Scuba in 228, and within a few posts he and I discuss my use of his quote further, and that’s the end of the exchange. Yet somehow, despite multiple other players having since dissecting his posts, voiced suspicions of him, and voted for him…they are all ignored so that he can go back and rehash something with me that has already been addressed.
To be honest Cookies, rereading now that you brought it up I think Scuba was just confused by your run-on-sentence:
Also your ‘dismissive of all other things’ is really a sneaky summary of the reasons you quote. They don’t like sachertorte dismissing a dual player lynch specifically and not suggesting sachertorte is dismissing all kinds of things except his own way like you seem to imply.
Yeah, I’ve noticed before that an effective way of deflecting suspicion is just to ignore it - it’s amazing how often town will drop the case and move on to the next shiny thing if the suspect just keeps schtum. I admit I was hoping for a bit more of a response from **Scuba **and I’m wondering if he’s consciously trying to avoid being the centre of conversation.
They often do go away, you’re right about that. Do you think that that’s a “scum tell” as it were or just a townie trying to get by?
I feel like in the past when I’ve been scum, I’ve been pretty defensive about it on quite a few occasions which snowballed. Are scum more likely to be defensive because they know a vote on them could be a bad thing? I can’t help thinking that a townie, esp a vanilla townie, would be a bit more, “Whatever” if they only get a vote or two because they figure it’s bad but it’s not the end of the world. Whereas if a scum dies there’s all the info we can see from voting patterns and whatnot.
it’s how i play. so let’s just call this a mischaracterization
i’ll go ahead and give this one kind of true but certainly a general mischaracterization.
yes i asked
well this is certainly what z posted but it doesn’t support his accusation. i assume you meant to caveat this with that z obviously was full of it. if not, then that’s certainly a lie. otherwise, i guess you were just incomplete on your analysis.
ok, this an absolute horsehocky lie. never said what you say i said.
eh, the truth is what the truth is.
i’d once again flop this in the mischaracterization pot
glad to see that you agree
agreed as well. i believe that scum are salivating at this point.
well maybe lying in all instances is strong but certainly in one. and mischaracterization in others.
see tha’s the way scum like to play this game. mix in a little fact with a whole bunch of spin and voila you’ve got a case. hey, do i play optimally all the time. nah. and to be honest getting rid of me doesn’t really hurt town too much. and to some extent the fact that you are at least reading gives you a little bit of credence for spinning the way you do. but remember, i have also played scum with you in the past and you can be just as much as a conniving little shit as others who will remain nameless. but i think if you are town that spinning stuff to reach an already reached conclusion is mas dangerous. you come off looking kind of reasoned, almost pro town, all the while stabbing us in the back.
Here is the relevant part of post 346 with part bolded
So, it looks like there was intent to your vote. You were Scum hunting.
Yet, here is post 229 with parts bolded
Now, maybe you intended it to be a lame scum trap.
And maybe you did have some elaborate plan in catching Scum.
Maybe the lame vote was your Scum trap. But, I still contend that it looks more like you’re changing your story as the Day wore on.
Additionally, how were you proposing to catch Scum? By casting a bad vote and then pointing fingers at the people who called you on a bad vote? Really? Because that’s what it appears you’ve done.
You made a bad play. People called you on it. You re-framed your bad play as a Scum trap and pointed fingers at the people who called you on your bad play.
And then, when I point out your changing reasons for voting, you deny there’s a change (maybe you’re implying that your hidden Scum trap was there all along…only…you didn’t mention it until over 100 posts after you aggressively defended your weak vote…and I’m the one who lied?
Really? Does post 346 not imply that your ‘pseudo random vote’ was a Scum trap? Did you fail to claim it as that previously when defending yourself earlier?
OK, enough of that.
As to this
If I recall correctly, we’ve played 1 game as Scum together. I was lynched in Day 2. And my play was more dictated by my role as a Scum Mason Traitor. Now, unless you consider spamming the thread with random Wikipedia articles as being a conniving little shit (and I may have to concede that, despite it not being brilliant play)…
Now as to the mischaracterization…
So…um…are you saying that when I describe accurately how you play that it’s a mischaracterization? Do you understand the meaning of the word mischaracterization?
Now, I said
Go ahead and read those posts
And now, the last 'mischaracterization claim from peeker
and ed maybe this is where we get caught on semantics. to me lying and mischaracterization are for all intents and purposes the same thing. except… maybe mischaracterization could be worse. you don’t get caught in an outright lie but you come across as insightful and helpful. well, i know you lied once and mischaracterized a couple of times. that is not very town motivated. so if lynching non town motivations is a reason for a vote you should be voting for yourself by definition.
and just another couple of quick observations.
so you admit that it could be a “lame scum trap”. well, fuck dude lame or not at least i am hunting scum.
uh, fuck dude i know that we have played scum together once. you are the one that made the initial observation about moi.
the rest of your post seems to be, hell i don’t know how to say but yeh, you are kind of quoting what i said but certainly not with the intent. so i singled out z for a crap ass vote. you make it sound like an indictment when it can also be taken from a town responding to a total bullshit connection. sersiously, a banana is a fruit. an orange is a fruit and is citrus oriented. that does not mean a banana is citrus. so to call someone, including you out, on faulty reasoning is bad? seriously, that is about as anti town a stance that i have seen. so, once again, by your logic, we should all vote for you?
but he also only does it when he’s kind of sure of picking off low hanging fruit.
he smells like scum real bad since he would then know that i am town. i think he wants me to claim something that i am not. in the absence of that he will be more than happy to take a town niller down on Day 1.
and chronos no disrespect but i am just accustommed to the Day/Town/Scum convention that i don’t even think about the whole Summer/Pond/Scum thing until after i have posted.
because i really like the set up.
and ed you and everyone else can argue and point out whatever you want. it won’t change the fact that i am just a common plankton. all i can do is try to help the folks left in seeing how wrong you are.
special ed isn’t coming off as particularly scummy–he has cited his opinions and he hasn’t done anything suspect like saying he just has a general feeling. He’s posted evidence. He’s coming off as fairly pro town to me.
And no disrespect, but you don’t have the best record for deciding who is town and who isn’t…you didn’t hit a single scum in your time as vig last game. Maybe you should take a step back and relax before you start spouting off wild theories.