Sorry.
I’ll add it up tonite, and put together the Left Fielder’s Ballot.
I suspect that there’s a particular left-fielder who will make for a lot of interesting debate.
Stan Musial?
Shoeless Joe Jackson?
Ty Cobb
Willie Davis
Joe DiMaggio
Curt Flood
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Mickey Mantle
Willie Mays
Willie McGee
Duke Snider
Tris Speaker
I swear I’ll add it up tonight!
I’m guessing the left fielder of denate will be Shoeless Joe. This not being the thread, I may as well say he won’t make my ballot. Even if he wasn’t a dirtbag who tried to throw the World Series, he’d still be near the bottom of the ballot; he just doesn’t have the resume of the big candidates.
You might be right, although my first thought was Barry Bonds. On performance, it’s a complete no-brainer, but there are plenty of people who still think he shouldn’t make it to Cooperstown.
Yeah, I assumed that threeorange meant Barry Bonds too.
…Who is someone I’ll certainly vote for when the Left Fielders ballot comes up. 
Nobody could skip Shoeless Joe. He had a lifetime batting ave of 356.
OBP -423
SLG-517
He was in the top 3 of averages for 10 years. Top 4 OBP. Top 3 SLG % Top 4 OPS.
All that and he did not throw the series. But apparently knew about it.
I think you’re confusing Joe with the actually innocent Buck Weaver. Joe admitted to throwing the series under oath.
Then again, I’m with you. I think Rose and Jackson are all good enough players to be let into the hall based on the merits of their play. And that’s what the Hall is about, right, good players? I mean, Ty Cobb’s total bastardism didn’t keep him out, did it?
Bonds’ play was enhanced by steroids… but his play before the steroids era (back when his hat size was still in single digits) should get him a spot in the Hall anyways.
.375 with 5 runs and 6 rbi in 8 1919 World Series games. What would he have done if he had been trying?
I want to vote for him. The only thing holding me back is the length of his career. ALL of his most similar by age over at baseball-reference are in.
He had 10 solid years and got booted when he was at his best. As for Bonds. He had the numbers to go in before he discovered chemical help. Personally I think it was more Human Growth Than steroids. It was undetectable and still may be. Balco was thorough like the East German swim teams of the past.
If McGwire said he took them and it was not against the rules ,I would have no problem with him. But he made a fool of himself in front of the congressional committee. That sticks .
Rose and McGwire did not show Bonds anything. he does not get it.
What was his performance like in the games he took money to throw?
.250, as I recall correctly.
IMHO, it doesn’t matter what he did on the field. He took money and agreed to lose on purpose. That’s what matters.
It was .286 in the games the Sox lost, not sure if those were the games they had agreed to throw.
He was a crook. From the Wikipedia article on the “Black Sox scandal”:
He committed errors, IOW, that were not scored as errors, and performed well at bat when his at-bats could hardly change the turnout of the game.
Wow, I didn’t mean to get the debate started so early.
Actually I wasn’t thinking of Jackson, but he’s the one who seems to be inspiring the debate.
That’s who I meant. His uberslugger contemporaries (McGwire, Sosa) had been largely shunned in the previous polls, and I assumed that the steroid allegations had played a part in that. I was curious as to how a more substantial all-around player would fare in this environment.
I think the only debate in regard to Musial would be whether other hitters should worship him as a deity or not.
So, speaking of the left fielders…
Had serious comp troubles [video card blew] for a week or so, I finally come back, still no LF thread?
Maybe the leftfielder thread won’t be posted until after the SDMB upgrades are completed next week.