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Bam!

My tight end was my highest scoring player, and he had a bye this week, so I needed a fill in. The highest projected score of a guy available this week was like 4.3. Jermichael Finley had a projected score of 2.3, but I used my awe-inspiring FF skills and predicted him to have a decent game. He has 17.1 points before the half. WHEE

I don’t know if it’s worth carrying 2 TEs, but it’s also not worth just dropping a TE that can put up a game this big. Feel free to make trade offers if you need one.

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I want to trade Jemichael Finley, who broke out this week and was a popular preseason sleeper pick. I think he’ll be productive all year, especially with Rodgers needing quick passes since he’s running for his life. I already have Celek … I might actually consider going two TEs, except that I have Coffee and Mendenhall battling for my W/R/T slot.

I’m looking first for a good defense in return. Green Bay is on bye this week. I don’t want to put up a 0 in that slot, but they’re also too good to cut. So I’m willing to package Packers + Finley for an upgrade at defense.

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I’m willing to trade Glenn Coffee. I like him, but I’ve already got Slaton/Ronnie Brown/Mendenhall and I can’t imagine starting him soon. You should probably get a decent amount of use out of him - Gore’s injury is nasty and lingering and Coffee may start a few games even after the bye. Send me offers.

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Trade to announce:

Exploding Pancakes gives up:
Glenn Coffee
Jermichael Finley
Green Bay

Gusterrhoids gives up
Roddy White
Philadelphia

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I protest on account that you shouldn’t be allowed to trade away players with names you can’t even spell.

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Wow, “Glen”, that’s getting nitpicky sir. That’s alright, I’d be cranky too if I lost in 3 leagues last week and then found out this week my own team’s defense is going to seal my loss against the guy who has beaten me the last 72 times we’ve played.

hug

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Shhh! It’s a trick! Wait until Gusterrhoids finds out they just traded for a stock boy in West Hackensack, NJ.

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The kid has good fundamentals and he might make it to the grocery bowl someday.

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My two most productive players being on bye is what will seal that loss. You sure seem pleased though. I guess I would be too if I just robbed someone for a second rounder by giving away a 2 week injury replacement and a waiver claim with one good game out of four. If nothing else, at least they got the better defense with a great matchup this week. Oh, wait…

I’ll just have to find some way to comfort myself over my terrible fantasy team. I’ll have to settle with following an NFL team with more than one winning season in the last seven years. No wonder you spend so much time on fantasy football.

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Yeah, that’s an appropriate response.

Oh, you wound me with your attack on my football team fandom. It reflects so poorly on my moral character that I’m going to go cut myself while listening to bauhaus.

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Incidentally, if you want to make a serious objection to the trade on the grounds that it’s unbalanced, that’s fine. I didn’t think you actually were, given that your first objection was “on the basis of” spelling and it was clearly facetious.

The deal probably is slanted in my favor. It depends on Gore’s recovery. Everyone expects Gore to be back and healthy after the bye week, but that may not be the case. The type of injury he has is painful, inhibiting, and slow to heal. It may be another month before he’s close to 100%, in which case he may miss more games or have limited carries in some. So yeah, if Coffee only plays 1 or 2 more games this season, then Justin Bailey is not getting that much back in the trade. But Gore is injury prone, with 2 ankle injuries already this season. If he gets hurt again, or recovers slowly, then Coffee is RB2, possibly RB1 material. It’s a gamble.

There was a reason I picked Finley even though he had like a 2.3 projected score - he’s been a popular sleeper pick with a big preseason, and with Rodgers running for his life he’s bound to make more quick passes to the TE. He broke out in a major way and I expect him to continue to be successful. He’s talented and he’s in a very productive passing game. I can see him as a top 5-8 TE from here on out.

Roddy White was indeed a second rounder, and he’s very good. But so far this year he has all of 119 yards/1 TD, which is less production than Finley had in a single game. Obviously I hope he’ll be more productive in the future and he probably will be - but in previous years, he was the only passing threat on that team. Now they look to Tony Gonzalez in the red zone, which is going to hurt White’s productivity. He’s not going to be as productive as he was last year.

Looking at where each player was taken in the draft and their preseason expectations, this deal clearly is stacked in my favor. Factoring in Gore’s injury issues and Coffee’s upside, Roddy White’s problems, and Jermichael Finley’s potential breakout it starts looking more even. A gamble, but each player gets something out of it.

But I’m open to hearing the opinions of other people. Is this trade unfair or destabalizing to the league? I’ll leave it pending for another day. If there’s a consensus against it, I will try to rework it by giving up more.

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Wow. I didn’t realize this trade was such a big deal. Maybe I should explain why I accepted it and see if that calms the fire.

My RBs have been pretty much complete busts. Larry Johnson has barely given me any points and Tomlinson has been hurt for the last few games (and has a bye week this week). So I was in dire need of a RB and I didn’t know where I was going to find one on the waiver wire. So Coffee fills a huge hole in my lineup.

Philly and Green Bay are practically a wash as far as defenses go. Philly is slightly better on paper, but they put up that negative game a few weeks ago, so consistent they are not.

As for Roddy White and Jermichael Finley, SenorBeef laid out the details pretty well. White is a good player, but he is not exactly lighting the world on fire. I wasn’t looking to get rid of him, but I need Coffee and Finley could possibly pick up the slack well for me.

So while SenorBeef seems to think the trade is slanted towards him, I thought it was pretty even.

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Um, that’s a whole lot of reading between the lines on a throwaway comment.

Here’s why I didn’t, and won’t, make a serious objection: I don’t think you’re colluding with another owner. I don’t think the trade is anywhere near fair, but at some level there are justifications for it. Weak, weak justifications, but I can see them. It’s a one-sided trade, but I draw the line at objections at collusion, basically.

You’re making too much about how Gore might be hurt more than everyone is reporting. Coffee might be a starter more than one more week. Nobody is reporting that Gore is seriously hurt. Everyone is saying that he’s on pace to be back in week 7. It’s all conjecture on your part to justify the trade.

Essentially you traded a possible breakout TE to a guy with 2 TEs already (one of them, Pettigrew, is the same type of potential breakout for nearly the exact same reasons), and a RB who at this point is a 1 game fill in, for Roddy White. Even disappointing Roddy White is worth more than that, let alone the potential to return as a top 10 WR. For the huge advantage you get in that part of the deal, you gave a defense on its bye week in exchange for a better defense. There isn’t a part of the trade that’s balanced.

But, no, it isn’t “destabalizing.” That’s why my only objection was a joke.

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See I’m not quite sure how the trade veto/approval process should work, quite frankly. I set all my leagues to commissioner approval this year rather than voting for two reasons. One - flexibility and expediency. If a trade is clearly valid and people make it late in a week and want it to be done this week, I like having the option of pushing it through before game time instead of always having to wait 2 days. I still bring every trade up for comment/objection/review so that if people feel strongly against it we can discuss it. And two - because people are loathe to vote against or veto a trade even if they feel that it’s bad or unfair, so then what’s the point?

But then I think - should you vote againt a trade if it’s unfair, if it’s not sketchy in some way? I mean - if both sides feel like it’s an honestly good trade for them, but you view the situation differently and think it’s stacked, should that be veto’d? I generally lean towards yes, if it’s unambiguously stacked. I don’t think this is such a case.

The only case where we’ve really had an issue on the SDMB was the David Carr/Steven Jackson issue, way back when. When Steven Jackson was a top 10 player, but before 4 points/pass TD so that QBs had inflated scores, a new FF player had a QB injury and needed to trade for one. So he traded top-5 RB Steven Jackson for like… the 18th best QB in David Carr. He didn’t really understand the fundamentals involved - since QB scoring was inflated, Jackson and Carr had similar point totals even though they had vastly different values as players. If the draft happened that day, Jackson would’ve gone like 6th overall and Carr would’ve lasted until the 9th round. It was a very stacked trade. I campaigned to get people to vote against it, but no one would. So it made me think - if that trade wouldn’t be veto’d, would any ever be?

I mean, I guess veto is there in public leagues so that when 2 friends get together and decide to trade MJD/Andre Johnson/Drew Brees for Laurence Marone/Devery Henderson/Trent Edwards, you can stop it. In our leagues we’re not going to face actual collusion. So then the question becomes - when do you ever veto a trade?

I don’t know. I never try to rule these leagues even though I’m the commish. I like to come to consensuses and compromises. I just try to organize things and get them going. This is an issue where I don’t know what to do.

Is this trade unambiguously stacked in my favor? Does it bother anyone else like it bothers Jules? I don’t want it to be tainted when I inevitably win this league, so I don’t want to do anything that seems unfair somehow.

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I rarely, if ever, veto trades. I join leagues where the managers involved aren’t terrible rookies. If the guys involved can’t be arsed to know the fundamentals, then they’re goingto make bad trades. Bully for the guy with the foresight to offer that trade, bummer for the vetoers who didn’t.

I had a good manager in a baseball league I started this year that cried like a little baby when someone made a slightly unfavorable trade - Santana for Hanley. Both first rounders, one guy needed a shortstop, the other a pitcher. He still complained. Screw that.

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I agree. Caveat emptor, and all that. Or, rather than emptor, i guess probably mercator.

I would place one possible exception to this: i’ve very occasionally seen leagues where someone in last place, and who is clearly going nowhere, will start making silly trades just for entertainment, or just to fuck things up for other players.

In our league right now, it would probably apply to the loser who owns the Master Baiters. :slight_smile: If i start offering Michael Turner and Terrell Owens, and asking for a second-string kicker and a tight end in return, someone should probably veto the trade.

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I also rarely veto trades. If I see a trade that seems to be a bit out of balance, I usually figure that the person on the short end of the stick is in desperate need of a position. There were some pretty unbalanced trades last year when Brady went down.

I’m also not at all sure Gore is going to be 100% any time soon. It may or may not be a coincidence that things got done with the Crabtree deal.

Now, in a serious money league, it would be a different story.

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I went ahead and pushed through that trade then. I’m sort of rooting for Coffee and Finley to blow up for the rest of the year now :stuck_out_tongue:

The following teams need to adjust their rosters due to injury or bye: Justin Bailey (the trade just went through, but reminding anyway), Unrelated Siblings, Fightin Quakers, Court Jesters, and Stinkers. Sometimes you won’t be able to fill in a bye week spot due to lack of backups at the position, or it isn’t worth dropping someone on your roster for a crappy bye week replacement, and that’s fine, your call. But try to do your best to field a full team when possible.

The teams that had injured/bye week players (and hence effectively empty slots) last week were: Curry Porkrinds, Fighting Quakers, Cobra Kai, Court Jesters, Phoenix Redbirds.

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What, am i so crap that you don’t even notice when i’m missing a QB? :slight_smile:

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I’d read the post in the forum about how your opponent (who also had his QB on bye) was lucky that both your QBs were out this week, negating the QB position. So I figured your missing QB was a deliberate choice.
Btw, does anyone remember who autodrafted for sure? I’m trying to compile some stats this year on who drafted/didn’t, who missed weeks adjusting their roster, etc so that next year we have accurate data on how much players participate.

I think people who missed it with Cobra Kai/Boozahol, Unrelated Siblings/Uncle Brother Walker, Fightin Quakers, and Kid_A. Justin_Bailey also missed it but he said he would miss it ahead of time and he pre-ranked extensively. Phoenix Redbirds joined sometime mid-draft.

Is that correct?