SDMB Fantasy Football DYNASTY League: Year 14

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I was keeping track of all the votes from the top of the thread, but I think I lost my tally. I don’t think everyone officially voted, but I remember we had just enough votes that nothing was going to pass with a majority, so essentially everything was voted down. The exception is that, I believe, we had a majority vote to approve a $10 FAAB (at least) benefit to the winner of the Consolation bowl. So we can go with that for this season.

Feel free to double check, but I think we are at no to superflex, no to reseeding for playoffs, no trade deadline / playoff trade deadline, and no to requiring trades be posted.

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Hey yo. I’m back. Had some trouble logging into the board because I have a new job and new browser security, but I’m ready to go. Here are my final roster and cuts (in italics):

QB - Justin Herbert, Matt Ryan, Carson Wentz, Kyle Trask, Ian Book
RB - Najee Harris, Leonard Fournette, Kareem Hunt, Zack Moss, Duke Johnson, Joshua Kelley, Rex Burkhead, Justin Jackson, Phillip Lindsay
WR - Stefon Diggs, Chris Godwin, Cordarrelle Patterson, Rondale Moore, Mecole Hardman, Marvin Jones Jalen Guyton, KJ Osborn
TE - Tyler Higbee, Noah Fant, David Njoku, Evan Engram, Donald Parham, Maxx Williams
K - Matt Prater
DEF - LA Rams, Indianapolis

Weirdly, Yahoo! is showing additional players on my end-of-year roster versus what it showed earlier in the offseason, and I’m cutting nearly all of those players. Anyway, I think that gives me five picks. I thought I traded for a first round pick last year but it’s not in the trade log so whatevs.

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I have to cut like 9 or 10 guys since I had a lot of IR players last year. I have plenty of guys I don’t even recognize so the cuts shouldn’t be that hard, but I bet once I start googling them I’m going to find random posts from random dudes that talk about how that player is going to break out big and I’ll talk myself out of cutting them.

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Those are not real players. You’re making those up.

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Trade pre-announcement (is that a thing?)

Not sure how the whole “post before trade is finalized” thing was supposed to work if it passed, and it didn’t pass, but a few folks said they would do it an appreciate it, etc. . . . So - I intend to complete a deal with @Hamlet to send them 1.01 in exchange for Joe Burrow and Juju Smith-Schuster.

In other news
Trade pre-announcement (I heard that is a thing)
I intend to complete a deal with @EllisDee to send them Aaron Rodgers in exchange for pick 2.02

In other news
Trade pre-announcement (I heard that thing is catching on)
I intend to complete a deal with @Jules_Andre to send them Davante Adams and pick 2.02 {A three team deal - most be a very special pick} in exchange for Tee Higgins and Calvin Ridley

In related news I will be cutting:

  • Qadree Ollison, RB, Atl
  • Bryan Edwards, WR, Atl
  • Tim Patrick, WR, Den|
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Remember you need to send two players worth if you’re getting two players. Both of you have to have 25.

Actually, does that need to get to 25? Or do we just have it generate one more draft pick for Hamlet and one fewer for Spiritus? I think that could work, and I would have no objection.

Also, do you have a preference on a single name? Spiritus or Mundi?

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I’ve answered happily to each. I think Mundi might have a slight lead in the count, but whatever flows for you is fine.

I’m not sure I understand why I would need to send 2 players to fill out a pre-draft trade when everyone needs to get below 25 in order to draft, but if it makes the paperwork smoother we could just assign any of the players I cut to be the other man in the trade and then @hamlet can cut him.

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That is a heck of a first day, Spiritus. I guess we forgot to tell you that we don’t really trade younger players to Hamlet around these parts.

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Apparently you don’t trade quality RB around these parts, either :smiley: . To be fair - I didn’t trade him a young player at all; he might use the pick on Marcus Mariota - That’s who Yahoo has at the top of the “Available Players” board.

Oh well, I will live and learn. Good thing this is only pre-season. I’ll be better when the trades start to count.

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Whomever Mundi would send me in the trade would be cut anyway, so I’m not sure it matters.

I will, however, change my cut list now to add Boston Scott back onto my roster. This is the updated version:

QB

Patrick Mahomes
Joe Burrow (traded to Spiritus Mundi)
Zach Wilson

RB

Austin Ekeler
Javonte Williams
Devin Singletary
Rashaad Penny
Marlon Mack
Boston Scott

WR

Keenan Allen
Michael Gallup
Brandon Aiyuk
Mike Williams
Tyler Boyd
Gabriel Davis
JuJu Smith-Schuster (traded to Spiritus Mundi)
Michael Thomas

TE

Mike Gesicki
Darren Waller
Irv Smith Jr.

K

Justin Tucker

DEF

Tampa Bay
Buffalo

CUTS

D’Onta Foreman
Jaret Patterson
Brevin Jordan
Chris Carson
Kylin Hill
Tyler Johnson

That should leave me with 3 draft picks.

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I count 21 keepers in your list, which would be four picks.

And yeah, during this cutdown period I guess it doesn’t really matter about how many players each side sends. When the cuts happen, as long as everyone is at 25 or under it should be all good.

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At the moment I believe my pre-trades roster would shake out as:

Aaron Rodgers, QB, GB
Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Mia
Jared Goff, QB, Det

Alexander Mattison, RB, Min
Darrell Henderson Jr., RB, LAR
Ameer Abdullah, RB, LV
Cam Akers, RB, LAR
Gus Edwards, RB, Bal
Giovani Bernard, RB, TB
Trey Sermon, RB, SF

Davante Adams, WR, LV
Christian Kirk, WR, Jax
DeVante Parker, WR, NE
Van Jefferson, WR, LAR
Zay Jones, WR, Jax

Pat Freiermuth, TE, Pit
Rob Gronkowski, TE, TB

Greg Joseph, K, Min

Baltimore, DEF, Bal
Las Vegas, DEF, LV

That is 20 which would give me 5 picks. So my draft would be:
1.01
2.01
3.01
4.01
5.01

Post trade I lose the bolded pieces and replace them with hopes and dreams for the future:
Joe Burrow
Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Mia
Jared Goff, QB, Det

Alexander Mattison, RB, Min
Darrell Henderson Jr., RB, LAR
Ameer Abdullah, RB, LV
Cam Akers, RB, LAR
Gus Edwards, RB, Bal
Giovani Bernard, RB, TB
Trey Sermon, RB, SF

Juju Smith-Schuster
Tee Higgins
Christian Kirk, WR, Jax
DeVante Parker, WR, NE
Van Jefferson, WR, LAR
Zay Jones, WR, Jax
Calvin Ridley

Pat Freiermuth, TE, Pit
Rob Gronkowski, TE, TB

Greg Joseph, K, Min

Baltimore, DEF, Bal
Las Vegas, DEF, LV

I lose one empty slot, so my draft would be:
2.01
3.01
4.01

Unless I cut some more players before the draft - which I probably will.

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So I just want to give a little example of the last pick swap of trades and why we do it that way.

Say there are two players. One has 1.01, 2.01, and 3.01. The other has 1.02, 2.02, and 3.02. Each has 22 players on their roster before the draft, and 3 draft picks each, which means they will finish the draft with 25 players.

Let’s say that player 2 offers his 1.02 and 2.02 pick in exchange for player 1’s 1.01 pick. They make that trade. Now player 1 has 1.02, 2.01, 2.02, 3.02. He still started the draft with 22 players on his roster, but now has 22 players + 4 picks, so he would end the draft with 26 players. So essentially that 3.02 pick disappears, he can’t use it.

On the other hand, player 2 now just has the 1.01 and 3.02 picks. He has 22 players on his roster and only 2 draft picks, so he’ll end the draft with 24 players.

So player 1 has an extra pick that he can’t actually use, and player 2 is short a pick. Hence we created the rule that player 1 has to throw his last pick (which he cannot use) to player 2 as part of the pick to balance it out.

So that deal would actually be 1.02 and 2.02 for the 1.01 and player 1’s last round pick. In this example, that’s the 3.01, but it could’ve easily been the 5.01 if he had cut more players. Player 1 isn’t actually losing out on anything by “giving away” his last pick - he couldn’t use it anyway since he traded for an extra pick that would fill his roster up ahead of that last pick, but it makes everything nice and gets everyone to 25 players at the end of the draft.

Now, because your trades are picks for players, rather than picks for picks, and they can be completed before the draft begins, we may not need to do that swap the same way, you could instead choose to cut fewer or more players to accomodate the trade to still get to 25. Let me think about that tomorrow when my brain is working better to see if that works out. Or if @Jules_Andre wants to think through how best to handle that, that’d be good, he’s good at figuring that stuff out.

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By the way, fantastic job already lining up trades and significantly changing your team. Jules did a lot of work early on when he took over a team to completely reshape it and make it his own and had a lot of success with it. I appreciate the high level of participation you’re coming in with, those are some big and decisive trades. I haven’t actually had time to think about whether they’re good ones, but I admire the boldness.

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The rule for balanced trades mainly exists because of Yahoo’s interface being difficult. Keep in mind, nobody has picks right now. They don’t exist until the draft actually starts and those empty roster spots on each team are converted into picks, which are then slotted into place based on our draft order, and the picks fill the empty roster spots. In season, you can trade 2 for 1 or 3 for 1 or whatever, and Yahoo will handle the empty roster spots. The start of the season is less flexible.

But, say Spiritus has 25 players and cuts 3. He has 22 players and 3 picks. Then, Hamlet has 25 players and cuts 10. He has 15 players and 10 picks. If you finalize that trade without balanced numbers, Hamlet gets 1.01 and Spiritus gets two players. Spiritus has 2 picks, and 23 players, so 25. Hamlet has 13 players and 11 picks, which is only 24. Yahoo won’t allow us to start the season with a team with 24, so Spiritus sends a random Joe from his roster to balance the trade.

If Spiritus had cut that player and sent the pick, that pick would have been 4.01. If the player goes to Hamlet and he cuts the player, the player becomes an 11th round pick. In a practical sense, the value doesn’t matter much, but if there are multiple owners drafting in the 4th and 5th rounds, now the draft order is messed up. What if Hamlet cut 1 and Spiritus cut 10? Instead of a 10th round pick, the extra Joe that Spiritus sends to Hamlet is suddenly a 2nd round pick entirely due to the timing of the trade? What if Hamlet says he is cutting 5 in the thread, agrees to the trade, and then legally changes his mind and decides to cut 1? That is an extreme example, but there’s a reason cuts have to be finalized, then picks are generated, then trades are processed. It has to be in that exact order, and trades outside of the season have to be balanced in numbers. It’s mostly to avoid headaches and bookkeeping (the actual processing of the draft is tedious and frustrating at times), but there are quirks that make it a necessity, too

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Fair enough - so what makes the bookkeeping most effective. Shall we call the trade 1.01 & Qadree Ollison for Burrow and Schuster? Then @Hamlet cuts Ollison and everything flows as intended?

But the order of operations is suspect to me, because he would have to cut Ollison before the trade in order to generate the draft picks to execute the trade . . .

I’m happy to do this in whatever way allows the mechanics to function. If it makes more sense for it to be “my last draft pick” then I am fine with that, too. But Hamlet won’t know (nor will anyone else) when that last draft pick occurs until after I finish trimming my roster. Happy to take direction on teh proper/best/most expedient way to do this.

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Ask me in 3 years. I don’t have any idea whether they are good ones today, either. But I do think they are rational ones.

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“Last draft pick” is the usual way trades like this are done. It’s OK that we don’t know which pick it is yet. That will all get sorted out once Monday rolls around and final cuts are made.

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That works for me if it works for @Hamlet

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I didn’t really get into the order of operations aspect of why we do “last pick” to balance trades, but you hinted at it, Spiritus. If you send a player and a pick, that pick can’t exist until cuts are finalized. That means that Hamlet can’t cut the additional player, because cuts are already done in order for you to send a pick at all. So it is worse for him to send a player as a balancing “last pick.”

The good thing about sending your last pick is that it can only ever be good news once you finalize your cuts. Nobody cares what that pick ends up being, it’s just a bookkeeping pick and we all know it will be late and not have any value (after all, you didn’t include it to agree to a fair trade, so it clearly doesn’t matter to the person receiving it). But if you choose to cut fewer players and that last pick moves higher into the draft, bonus!