** SDMB live coverage thread, 2nd POTUS debate, 10/09/2016 **

Wait; what’s the scandal about Chelsea’s 2nd grade art class? This could be the break the [del]McCain[/del][del]Romney[/del]Trump campaign has been waiting for!

Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! :stuck_out_tongue:

Starving Artist never fails to set up some great lines, does he?

Not ‘busted’ as in ineffective, but yes US strategic delivery systems are relatively old, with no recent additions compared to significant ones in case of Russia, and China seems to be moving toward significantly expanding their force from the small size, by US and Russian standards, it long saw as adequate.

The situation isn’t close to upsetting deterrence in the near to medium future. Still nobody has ABM systems effective against large numbers of ballistic missiles nor likely to, ASW capabilities likely to preempt a significant SSBN force, nor enough deployed air defense density to shoot down a large % of bomber launched cruise missiles (though some Russian systems can do that where they do cover) or B-2’s directly dropping gravity bombs. And the US systems while all pretty old have life left.

However replacement programs are required in all three legs and it’s a real issue how to accommodate a ‘bow wave’ of expense of major programs in all three, addition of the B-21 bomber and LRSO missile for it and earlier bombers which remain, Columbia class SSBN’s (and eventually a new SLBM for them) and Minuteman ICBM replacement at around the same time. So there might be pressure to drop a leg in the 2030’s, with the decision point significantly closer than that, against what might by then be a significant third force in China besides replacement Russian stuff.

It’s a valid topic for debate, not IMO at all reckless to bring up. It wasn’t given a very substantive treatment (by Trump as typically, and Clinton didn’t even respond IIRC), but not a phony issue.

There was a woman on MSNBC tonight who described a tour where Trump took her aside and at least twice ran his hand up her dress after cornering her. This was about 1995. Lisa Bloom is that woman’s attorney, probably not for a real case, but for the publicity it provides. Lisa hinted that there were probably others about to come forward. We’ll see.

Anderson Cooper Begins Debate By Giving Trump Opportunity To Explain What The Fuck Is Wrong With Him

Can’t wait for “this debate is rigged, two women and a gay man!”

Anderson Cooper and Mike Pence both have their hair done by the same sculptor. Bernie has his done at WeedWhackers.

And don’t forget the microphone. It was rigged to make him sound ignorant and whiny! And sniffy!

I generally agree with what you posted, but let me give a slightly different take on this.

The US nuclear arsenal needs to be modernized, though there’s certainly room for debate about what that modernization should look like. Do we have to modernize everything? Can we modernize some things and not bother with others? Do we need small nukes or big ones? Etc.

But the key fact left out is that the next President can shape those decisions, but he or she cannot fix the problem Trump talked about: “We need new nukes now because Russia.” Im-fucking-possible. The US nuclear modernization program, no matter how small or ambitious you go, is going to take 10-30 years - not eight. The Presidents after the next President or two are going to be the ones fielding these weapons.

I think I may have it, I think the way he holds the mic (especially last night) puts it at an angle so that when he exhales heavily through his nostrils, the air flow strikes the mike directly, exaggerating its actual flow.

Bee-you-tee-full!!

So, Trump is saying our missiles are limp and flaccid? That they don’t stand proudly erect any more?

In five minutes, when asked about Aleppo and the humanitarian tragedy there, we witnessed a perfect macrocosm of the election.

Clinton presents a clear strategy, the finer points of which could be discussed but which is, by and large, reasonable - or at least not crazy at first glance.

Trump meanders from bizarre misstatement to misstatement, erroneously claiming that Aleppo has already fallen, arguing that we have no idea who the rebels are, praising Assad for “fighting ISIS” (he hasn’t been), connecting Aleppo to Mosul (despite the two having basically nothing in common), and more.

One candidate clearly knows what she’s talking about and has real, detailed plans to help ameliorate the situation.

The other has no idea what he’s talking about and struggles to stay on topic for five seconds.

Yes, except it’s important to note that this has already started, as you say it’s a 30 year program, and initial funding was signed in 2010, by Obama.

What a tired meme. I don’t recall Democrats thinking Bill Clinton’s abuse of power a governor and president were a problem when he was president and when he ran for president. Hypocrisy is a legitimate complaint.

What powers did he abuse as governor? What powers did he abuse as president? He was only impeached for charges of perjury and obstruction of justice, both of which were alleged to have occurred in a civil suit unrelated to any official actions on his part as a government official.

And since Bill Cosby has never held government office and therefore is not being accused of abuse of power, but rather rape/sexual assault, your complaint does not make sense. There are no logical consistency problems with being unsure of Bill Clinton’s guilt of sexually assaulting/raping/sexually harassing three different women in three largely different stories and being much more convinced of Bill Cosby’s guilt of sexual assault/rape based on the stories of sixty different women, of which many stories share common details and methods.

I got the distinct vibe from his response that he was thinking, “Aleppo, shit, I don’t know what happens if Aleppo falls…quick, gotta say something that will keep me from having to indicate knowledge of the facts on the ground…I know, I’ll say it’s basically already fallen, so it’s too late! Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

Nice write up in the Economist where they point out many of the dumb things said that passed many people by (because you can only focus on so much stupid at a time).
e.g. What did he mean by “Russia is new in terms of nuclear?”

Maybe it’s a legitimate complaint, but not against Hillary, and not as a defense of Trump.

That was my interpretation as well. Trump clearly didn’t know what he was talking about and was just trying to keep his head above water.