Holy Christ on a pogo-stick, pede. I’ve got two people that stick out to me as potential lynch candidates… Neither of whom really looks like a great case to me. So I don’t vote for them. You’re one of them, and now you’re fucking hounding meover it? What’s your angle on this, anyways? Why all the aggression?
If it’ll really make you fucking happy, I’ll throw a goddamn vote down.
Ban pedescribe.
Happy?
Okay, since it’s only about 24 hours till our assumed day’s end, I’m going to claim.
I am a Charter Member.
The closest traditional analouge is Mason, but we’ve got a really low powered variant. Basically, I, being around for so long, recognize one other Charter Member, amrussel. We don’t have a separate board, or a list of masons, or even how many there are, but at least amrussel (or whoever recognized me) can confirm me.
Since I have no clue who’s a charter member, I’ve been dropping clues looking for my fellow Charter Members. Here’s the most blatant one:
Which is why I wanted to discuss the role list in the first place.
Confirm vote means I’m confirming my vote on you. It was originally just placed for pressure, but I’m happy with what that pressure has turned up.
And I simply don’t believe you. The way Pleo phrased it leaves little room to think he was talking about vanilla scum.
Bussing, as in throwing under the bus. Piling on to a scumbuddy day one in order to look more townie later.
Oh hey, another page!
Huh. Does your PM give any assurance that amrussel is town?
Ah. And I know you don’t believe me, but I can’t just make you believe me, and that’s really what I was thinking.
I know what it means. But you offered no sort of argument or assertion, only “I don’t believe you”, and I can’t exactly refute your inner thoughts once I’ve already explained myself thoroughly.
Yes.
So you’re saying that you’re a mason who only recognizes one other mason, but you’re not sure if that mason, in turn recognizes you? So we perhaps have a mason-chain, where A recognizes B, B recognizes C, and C recognizes A (expand as necessary for however many masons we actually have)…
or possibly we have a couple minigroups of Charter Members pairings, where you and amrussell might recognize each other, but you wouldn’t know any of the other CM-pairs.
I’m not doing anything 'till we here from amrussell.
Actually, this does make me less suspicious…if you were looking for the easiest target, you would have voted for 7G.
Yup.
Cool, spotted my first breadcrumb.
OK, Charter Member status. I am, indeed, a Charter Member. I too recognise one other Charter Member. Unfortunately, that person is not pedescribe but someone else. I am not saying pedescribe is lying. His description of the role is entirely accurate. What I believe to be the case is that each CM recognises one other, but this relationship is not reciprocal. E.g. If we have three Charter Members then A–>B–>C–>A, where --> means recognises.
Therefore, there should be at least one other Charter Member/mason who can confirm pedescribe. I can give the name I recognise, but I’m reluctant to jump the gun as this will basically force a mass mason role-claim, which may not be in our best interests.
And it really should be amrussell that does it, even if there’s a looped-chain of Masons as described above. We don’t want to call out three masons on Day One, and if the mason setup that amrussell received looks like the one pede received, we can be reasonably sure that pede’s telling the truth.
While it could be possible that the scum did a Night-Zero investigation on amrussell, this new-look Masonry deal probably wouldn’t have been revealed.
Don’t. There’s no reason to throw out more info that the scum don’t need.
unban: pede
NETA - exactly as **Boozy **suggests.
There could be a problem here. Assuming people believe pede and unvote him, our current number 2 (**Boozy **IIRC) will become vote leader by default. Depending on how steely-nerved he is, this could well provoke a second role-claim ove the next 24 hours. Given that this Day could last 6 days, we don’t necessarily want to get into a cycle of provoking role-claims almost at random.
I would strongly suggest that unvotes be coupled with a new vote if at all possible, so that at least the next vote-leader genuinely is under suspicion.
One last thing - claimed masons are of course a very obvious target for scum to go after, as they can be expected not to defend themselves or bite back. It would be really cool if any scum thinking of this were forced to consider that any protective forces the town might have on-side are at least mulling over extending that protection towards the exposed masons.
**Hopefully the above paragraph will have made the scum consider exactly that. **Therefore, any further discussion of this issue or of any putative actions by putative power-roles would be as *unneccesary *as it would be tactically inept.
Why are you happy that your pressure has exposed a town role? (usual caveats about pedescribe and amrussel could be lying / preplanned claim etc etc etc etc)
I could understand being happy if the pressure had caused a slip such as Pedescribe revealing some perfect knowledge. I understand that in the chaos of day one that we will end up forcing town roles to claim if they end up with a leading lynch tally, but I would not say that would be something to be happy about.
Out of all the people who’ve been talking, I’m still most suspicious of Squidio.
But Nanook hasn’t been talking at all, and Kat’s only posted once–Shadow hasn’t either, but he said he wouldn’t in advance.
Before I ponder further, a question:
O mighty Og, how shall you smite those who ignore you? Shall they disappear, without any indication of alignment or role? Or will you be so kind as to reveal who they were working for and their official title?
Waitaminute…
If amrussel is the last person in the mason chain to have claimed, but not give the next in sequence, doesn’t that make him a likely night kill target as it breaks the chain?
That is, once the masons reveal themselves their night death would actually benefit us, as we than have a whole lot of confirmed pro-town players that have no powers. If the chain isn’t completed the masons are still vulnerable.
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On preview I see that amrussel is hoping to set some sort of protection trap? Is it fair to assume we have a real doctor, especially after the weak doctor reveal?
Also, ped appears to be thinking along the same lines as me. If the night kill reveal has no information than my point is moot.
unban: pedescribe
Heh…well, yes, WE were so close…in M3. I was talking about my PFK role of the Riddler in Batman Mafia.
Ooh, this chain-of-masons thing is interesting. I shall assume they are both telling the truth, as it would be a hugely risky ploy for scum to make. So we’ve got a couple of semi-confirmed townies.
Unfortunately, I don’t have much of a read on anybody else as yet (and I suspect, given that we’ve had three role claims so far, that this is a game with few vanilla townies and a lot of small, not-very-powerful power roles. Which makes things more difficult, as IME power roles often look a bit like scum, sharing the same reluctance to stick their necks out).
Why is this again? I explained what I meant re: Santo’s role. Is it still because I mentioned the fact that there were two crappy vote possibilities in my mind, and I declined to vote either of them?
Unban pedescribe.