Not random. Re-reading during night, I had a hunch. It’s unfortunate that I blundered by mixing up Oredigger and ok11, but I’m still pleased with the result. ok11 is now on my “strongly town” list. I thought it had a better than even chance of bagging scum. It’s worked before, and I can provide links if you want.
That’s just silly. A gambit like that is patently awful as scum. It has literally no upside. For one thing, how could it garner townie cred? I’m going to come under fire as it is for missing with ok11. The only way I get cred from it is hitting scum, and even then I’d get accused of bussing her.
I’m just confused as to why you two picked sides so quick. I’m new here and it was clear to me that Jsexton was leaving himself plenty of wiggle room. That is why I asked for direct clarification from both.
I don’t think the day is likely to end that quickly. I tried to keep it quick, in oder to minimize exposure in case I was wrong. I wasn’t going to let it get out of hand.
(and see, Boozahol? That’s why the gambit makes no sense for scum.)
Bullshit. You just fake-claimed some sort of watcher/detective/town strongman role. You weren’t too particular whom you put it on, because you really just wanted to lead a lynch of -anyone- not on your scumbuddy list.
If ok11 (or Oredigger, or whomever, as you obviously weren’t particular about it) was a pro-town Vig, he’s nailed. If he’s another pro-town role that happens to target (roleblocker, detective, doc, etc.) , you’re forcing him to claim exactly what his role is, because you could just say that you thought he might have been a PFK Mad Bomber or the like. If he’s a PFK, you get mad bonus townie credit.
I haven’t felt this sure about a lynch since we cacked CatinaSuit in Conspiracy I. (Well, other than Faithfool in YSI… but I’m doing my best to repress memories of that game)
Ridiculous. For one thing, Oredigger is a claimed freaking mason: why on earth would a scum Jsex go after him? For another, geez, look at the negative attention this is getting. Tell me why a scum Jsex pulls a gambit on someone who is almost certainly town (aside from a tiny chance of hitting a SK), a gambit that is doomed to fail and therefore attract a ton of attention and votes? So I can maybe just maybe expose a power role? And what power role would that be? We already have a dead watcher and detective. Obviously a doc wouldn’t have targeted a dead body. So there’s maybe ~3 targeting power roles that I could possibly uncover. For that, I’m willing to risk getting straight up lynched today?
Oh, that’s effing brilliant. Truly, I’ll take home scum of the year for that maneuver. This is why I am feared near and far: for heavy-handed, doomed to fail, and attention getting gambits as scum.
I don’t give a shit about links, your “gambit” had just as much of a chance of exposing a scum as it did of exposing a power role. And you being satisfied because he said, “Huh? I don’t know what you’re talking about!” is kinda weak.
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It’s unfortunate that I blundered by mixing up Oredigger and ok11[/quot]
Wait, I’m sorry. I didn’t even remember that Oredigger was one of the masons. So now you’re suggesting that you had intended to go after one of the claimed masons with your wild stabs? You really thought the mason-chain setup was an elaborate ploy by scum to avoid attention?
I mean,I know that the major balance of this game is decided by townies sacrificing themselves in order to out scum…but I can’t see this as being a plausible pro-town move.
No, no, he said that he messed up when he mentioned Oredigger. He (I assume) didn’t mean to go after him.
I’m willing to believe him for now, simply because it seems like such a monumentally stupid scum play. It also seems like a monumentally stupid town play, but he said he had links and I’m waiting for the links before I pass more judgment.
I’m satisfied by the totality of his response and it’s tone, which is considerably more than “huh?”.
One wicked awesome example was Transformers mafia, starting around post 282. Short version is that I had a huinch that Reiss was scum, and gambitted that I’d seen him do bad things. Turned out he was a mafia roleblocker and confessed, badly.
A) Way to show that you’re paying attention to the gamestate.
B) No, that’s explicitly NOT what I’m saying. I’m saying that when I posted, I had confused to player’s names, both beginning with O and ending with numbers.
Not even after I explained, in detail, why I did it, and that it’s a move that has worked before? Or how about after I explained, again in detail, why it would be a really stupid scum move?
But hey, don’t bother with logic. Keep going with the blind rage, it looks good on you.
I gotta say, this is exactly where I was going on the drive home. I see now that thats a dead end.
Jsexton, I have to assume that you anticipated a backlash in the event your gambit failed. Is “it’s too stupid for scum to do” the entirety of your defense? Because I’m quite happy to ban Jsexton if it is.
And I really don’t see how you could see ok11’s “WTF are you talking about?” response as town confirmation. Even if he was scum, what are the chances that he was the scum “actor”? And while a scum who had actually, by blind chance, done an action, might have tried to come up with a good story, there’s no reason why scum wouldn’t play dumb as well, since even a town power role probably couldn’t confirm himself after one night.
Oh, if there was anything concrete, I would have done exactly that. I re-read the thread during night, and after I was done, I had a nagging suspicion. Seemed like a good opportunity to test her.
In retrospect, I forgot that gambits are generally not looked upon well here, as opposed to the sites I usually play at, where townies (and scum too, in different ways) pull crazy gambits all the time. I mean, I know a guy who fake-claimed serial killer in order to try and stay alive in one game.
I’m hella suspicious of you at the moment, but it was monumentally stupid…if he was scum…uh…hm…
Okay, howbout this. You said you got suspicious of ok11 after rereading. Why? What tipped you off so significantly?
Also, why --exactly-- was ok11’s response satisfactory?
I’ve got my own theory about ok11, but I’m waiting for more evidence as right now it’s a “kookoo bigoted wacky” theory. Every detail might make it clear…or stupid.