I’m thinking C-4, ANFO, RDX, or PETN.
Part 1: PIS
Do you really think I have extra information? How do you think I got it?
Imagine you’re reading Nanook’s post without knowing anything about the other game. This is the only piece of information you have upon which you can base any conclusions:
I didn’t narrow anything down. That’s the only thing he told us. If he had said that in another game there was a town power role whose restriction prevented him from role claiming, I wouldn’t have reacted the way I did. I thought “replicant” was the key word, not “restriction” (because, he already told us about his restriction).
Except, that’s not what actually happened. When Zeriel asked me, I answered him. You can’t blame me, when you are the one who didn’t see my answer. I didn’t respond to you sooner, because I had something come up in real life.
Nanook: There’s absolutely no way we can trust you at this point, sorry. Lying is pro-town only when it works. Further, your vote for yourself is fairly anti-town as well. A townie in the position you claim to be in should have gone quietly into that soft night, taken your WIFOM off the table, and let us get around to evaluating the information your banning provides. As it is, it’s likely that we’re going to spend a good portion of Tomorrow debating what to do with you, which puts Town further behind the eight ball.
Pedescribe: I disagree with your plan as well. The only thing that I’m confident in regarding Nanook is that he wants votes. We should only begin voting him if we intend to ban him, and I don’t think thats the right play today. This is a great opportunity to test the existence of a Vig.
Incidentally, should Nanook be around come morning, I think it would behoove us to all vote him. Should he be, in fact, a bomb or some such, it’ll help spread the risk, and make sure scum come in for their fair share of it. Barring any other developments, I’ll be looking hard at anybody that doesn’t vote a still-alive Nanook Tomorrow.
Part 2: Masons
First, to what exactly does your 1st sentence refer? Second, as I’ve said before, there is an advantage. It’s only after the 3rd mason claimed that pedescribe and amrussell became almost completely confirmed. Before that, there was a possibility that they’re lying. I thought they were hinting at something, and waited to see whether I was right. At first, it looked like they might be stalling, and that if there was enough pressure on amrussell, he’d say I’m the 3rd mason (at which point I’d reply, “Liar, liar, pants on fire.”)
How do you know what Pedescribe believed at that time? He might have later said something, but your assumption is that back then I knew exactly what Pedescribe was thinking and tailored my actions accordingly.
Again, this was not some sort of plan I put into motion myself. I made a lucky guess about CMs, which later turned out to be right. I thought pedescribe and amrussell were hinting something about me, which later turned out to be wrong. Yes, eventually I had reason to believe that others are thinking that I’m a mason. So you’re basically calling a gambit me not saying “In case you’re wondering, I’m not a mason.”
I’m thinking you’ve got that completely backwards. See below:
Gotcha covered. I don’t know if Nanook got any vote/unvotes, but five people ended the day with a vote on him: Boozahol, Hero from Sector 7G, Peekercpa, Oredigger77 and NBC.
Lookie there…Peekercpa voted for Nanook and was banned. DiggitCamera was banned as well, without having an end-day vote on him (although I don’t know if he voted for him at an earlier time).
I won’t call it damning evidence, but it’s evidence nonetheless.
I don’t understand why both you and pedescribe think we should all vote for Nanook. Since he self-voted to save himself (which might not even work), I think he wasn’t lying about his survival condition. So wouldn’t it make more sense not to vote for him at all Tomorrow?
NETA: If what Hal says turns out to be true, then there should only be one kill tonight, right?
Revision: I went back and checked Diggit’s voting record, and found that he did indeed vote for him and then unvote him. So if the theory of “voting for Nanook opens you up to being banned by him” turns out to be true, then he could have been responsible for either of last night’s bannings.
Like he said, it’d be evidence, but it wouldn’t be confirming. It’s possible there are three killing factions, one of whom was blocked, chose not to kill, or doubled up.
But for the most part, you’re right.
What I think we should do is completely ignore him. Don’t vote for him at all. If he makes it through the Night, nobody votes for him Tomorrow. If he makes it through Night 3, we lynch him on Day 4. But we should really quit wasting posts on it.
I’m not sure I agree. If Nanook is still alive come Morning, that’ll be decent evidence we don’t have a Vig. Voting him off is going to be our only option at that point. The only reasonable mechanic he could have that would affect all players voting for him would be a plague-carrier type, and I can’t see him fulfilling that hypothetical win condition if he’s lynched.
I suppose our alternative would be for the Masons to build us a random list of players to vote for Nanook, large enough to ensure a majority.
I definitely don’t want to see him live through Tomorrow.
Agreed. I like Oredigger’s theory that Nanook is a Troll…let’s not feed him and see what happens.
This doesn’t follow. He’s a known liar, and his self-vote could be easily be a gambit to make us think his survival condition is real, in order to guile us into testing it again Tomorrow.
If he is killing, thats a horrible path to take.
I don’t agree with this. If nobody else is going to vote him, I won’t waste mine, but the sooner we’re rid of him, the better.
I’m with you on mass-lynching him tomorrow. I don’t want to see us have to continue to deal with some guy dancing around,begging for votes, and then flip flopping on whether or not we should kill him.
Whether or not his role-name is ‘Troll’, that’s cpreciselyly the vibe I’m getting from his actions in this game: negative-attention seeker trying to get our goat.
A thought: Nanook may have waited until after he was voted to claim his condition expressly to prevent us from testing him Day One.
On further reflection, I’m actually not entirely sure about this. We also have to look out for the possibility of some sort of Jester role, too. I’d feel much better if we had a Vig to do the dirty work.
It’s based on Menocchio, who is a Charter Member.
In a best case scenario, Nanook doesn’t survive the Night. If he does, though, we’re left with three options:
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Mass vote
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Majority vote, preferably handled by the Masons
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No votes
I don’t like option 3 at all. Every Day he’s alive at this point is another Day taken up with discussion of him, not to mention we run the risk of further nasty Night actions from him. Of the other two, consider:
If he’s got a win condition based on number of votes for him, or a power that can affect everyone that votes for him, good game design would suggest that we’ve got a way of counteracting that, ie a Vig. If he’s alive in the morning, thats a decent indication that we’ve got no Vig, ergo, he can’t bomb everyone that votes for him, and a hypothetical Jester win condition shouldn’t affect the rest of us.
So we can go either way, really. A Mason-dictated majority vote might be the best, just on the off chance that he could affect everybody that votes for him.
I don’t understand the logic behind this proposed idea. Elaborate?
I see what you’re saying, but personally I’d like to go with option 3 if there is no 2nd kill toNight. Then there’s less harm in keeping Nanook around an extra Day. And if we agree on that toDay, then we won’t even mention him Tomorrow. That would address both of your concerns.
If there’s a second kill, then I’m not sure which approach is best.