SDMB Musical Lovers' Salon and Debating Society: Newsies (1992)

The 1990s were a particularly bad decade for musicals. Disney had several hit animated musicals, but Hollywood produced hardly any big-budget, live-action musicals during the '90s. Several studios actually did have musicals in various stages of pre-production (including adaptations of The Phantom of the Opera and Miss Saigon) in the early 1990s. These films wound up on the back burner for years or were abandoned entirely. There’s a reason for this. Something terrible happened in the world of Hollywood musicals. Something called…

Newsies

The ulterior motive behind this month’s selection was that I wanted you to see the musical that all but killed the genre for the rest of the decade. There were other factors involved, but if I had to put all the blame for the largely musical-less '90s in one place my finger would be pointing at Newsies. This movie tanked. It was one of Disney’s poorest grossing films ever. It was a failure with both the public and the critics, so if you want to rip it apart for this month’s discussion you’ll be in good company.

There is a lot to criticize about Newsies. Most of the flaws are due to a fact that many of you probably guessed while watching: Newsies was originally conceived as a straight drama and then rewritten as a musical. Goodness knows why. A period piece about a gang of singing, dancing newsboys seems fair enough as concepts for musicals go. Sort of a cross between West Side Story and Oliver! But a musical about an obscure late 19th century labor strike? (One that was not, in real life, as successful as it is in the movie.) The resulting script really should have been revised one more time before shooting. The two theatrical trailers reveal that even Disney’s marketing department wasn’t sure whether to treat Newsies as a David vs. Goliath labor movement drama or a fun-filled musical romp for the whole family.

But I’m not a complete cinematic sadist. That’s why we’re not doing Lisztomania this month. I wouldn’t have chosen this movie if I didn’t think it had entertainment value. I loved Newsies when I was about thirteen. I was just beginning to take an interest in film at that age, and Newsies was actually the first movie I ever taped for myself from TV. I can no longer take Newsies seriously like I did then, but I still see things to enjoy in this movie.

Robert Duvall is a hoot as villainous Joseph Pulitzer. He all but twirls his moustache. Ann-Margret’s role is a gratuitous cameo, but she does a fine job of being Ann-Margret. However, the movie’s real star is young Christian Bale as Jack. I’ve been a fan for so long that I’d almost forgotten that this was where I saw him first. A weaker performer could easily have gotten lost in the crowd, but Bale has enough charisma that I believed the other newsboys would accept Jack as their leader and that Pulitzer would see him as a real threat. Bale’s singing is only passable, but the material doesn’t demand a lot of him. Unfortunately, his Noo Yawk accent is far, far worse than I remembered. As many of the actual Americans in the cast sound equally affected, I can only assume that this was a directorial decision. Personally, I’m willing to let all those “goils”, “muddahs”, and “faddahs” slide as they fit the stagey nature of the whole movie.

Weird as it is, I do find the idea of a musical (melo)drama about union organization appealing. At least it’s not another romance! Newsies crosses a message about the courageous struggle of the proletariat against oppressive capitalist fat cats with a bunch of jump-spins, backflips, and pelvic thrusts. The result is…almost surreal, which I find amusing. Yet I feel Newsies does also deserve credit for taking on subject matter that’s unusual for the genre.

Although Alan Menken did better work for Disney’s animated films, Newsies has some catchy numbers. Until I rewatched the movie for this month’s discussion I hadn’t seen Newsies in at least a decade, but I can’t tell you how many times the songs have popped into my head over the years. I’ve found myself humming “Carrying the Banner” while walking down the street or “Santa Fe” while waiting for my clothes to get done at the laundromat. On one or two occasions I’ve even overheard other people singing “High Times, Hard Times” to themselves. A few days ago, after I’d already written the draft for this post, I discovered four MP3s from the Newsies soundtrack that someone else had saved to iTunes on one of the computers at work. So people still remember these songs.

Finally, the whole thing is just so darn energetic! Everybody’s always jumping around! It seems like these kids really are putting their hearts into things and giving it their all. I confess I know nothing about dance, but the choreography and ensemble dancing seems well done to me.

I think this movie’s chief crime was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It might have done better in some other era. Newsies is clearly targeted at adolescents, but in 1992 you couldn’t expect teenagers to turn out to see a bunch of fresh-faced newsboys burst into a big production number on the streets of a whitewashed, backlot version of turn-of-the-century New York.

This may have been for the best. Imagine if Newsies had been popular enough to inspire a horde of squeaky-clean and utterly unironic knockoffs. Chills your blood, doesn’t it? For the good of the genre Newsies had to fail, but I don’t know that it truly deserved to fail. Newsies is a cheesy but pleasant youth musical, and I think its good intentions make up for many of its shortcomings.

In true musical fashion there was a happier ending for Newsies after it flopped at the box office. The movie slowly managed to attract its share of fans thanks to endless airings on Disney’s cable channel. I don’t think it ever turned a profit, but it has done far better on video and DVD than it did in the theaters. It eventually developed a small but loyal cult following.

Or, as a friend of mine once put it, “That’s one of my favorite movies ever. It has a bunch of hot guys in it, and they’re dancing!”

Even I can’t argue with that.

As I said in the main thread, I’ve never seen Newsies before. But I got my DVD from Netflix, put it in and watched. I could not help but be distracted by thinking “So, that’s Batman…” while seeing a very much younger Christian Bale (as for some reason I can never remember who he is), “…good thing Bruce Wayne is not known for singing, dancing, or speaking with a New York accent” as Mr. Bale failed miserably at all three.

Strangely, so did most of the rest of the leads (Ann-Margaret was, well, Ann-Margaret, but her part made no sense. None at all. I kept expecting her to be someone’s long lost mother or fall in love with Bill Pullman, but nope. She just ran around in inappropriate tights.) The ensemble was ok…as you said, very energetic. But energy is not enough. It needed a stronger plot, better villians, more compelling heroes, better songs (I didn’t really like any of them, I didn’t dislike any of them. The only thing I really remember about them was that 50% of the time I could guess the next line exactly, 30% of the time, I was only a word or so off), a dialect coach, and an editor who was willing to say “this is 30 minutes too long.”

But, I’ve seen worse.

He has done much better accents in other films (I think even a convincing New York accent), which is another reason why I think the awful one here was a directorial decision.

*It really was, wasn’t it? In my memory it was shorter. :wink: I think this and many of the other script problems were due to trying to convert a non-musical project into a musical. A musical plot should be more streamlined. But it felt like they were trying to preserve elements that had been important in an earlier draft (I am assuming that Ann-Margret’s character originally served some larger purpose) but that they didn’t have time to deal with once the musical numbers were added.
I am rather perverse in this way – I often like movies that don’t quite work better than I do movies that were actually more finely crafted. Partially it’s because these “not quite there” movies tend to stray from the formula in an interesting but not-quite-effective way. It may be possible to make a truly great musical drama about labor organization, but Newsies didn’t manage it. But how many movies ever even tried? And partially I just like to think about where movies went wrong and how they could have been improved. I hope most of you got some enjoyment out of Newsies, but if not I hope it at least helped give you some better insight into what qualities a musical needs to be truly great.

Okay, now I’m envisioning “Norma Rae!”

On my bus ride I was amusing myself by trying to write some lyrics about union demands:

BOBBY: “Time and a half for overtime!”
MARY: “Safety checks on the assembly line!”
SUE: “Daycare for my daughter and son!”
JOHNNY: “Health and dental for everyone!”

<all jump-spin as the tapdancing chorus enters via conveyer belt>

CHORUS: “We’ve got to organIZE! We’ve got to unionIZE! We’ve got to…eat some PIES*, we’ve got to organIZE!”

*It’s a work in progress, okay?

If there was any doubt what my choice was going to be, this cemented it.

It’s been done. One of the greatest musicals ever, and probably the greatest of whichy so many people are shockingly unaware.

You’ll see… :slight_smile:

I had no desire to see this when it cam out, and have never seen it since. I suspect that many people didn’t see it for the same reason I didn’t. The promos stunk, really bad. The one I remember told nothing about the film, it just showed dancin’ newsboys…

  A movie about dancin' newsboys

(shot of newsboys dancing)

Those newsboys are dancing

(shot of newsboys dancing)

They just keep on dancin’ and dancin’

(shot of newsboys dancing)

And so on. Why would anyone want to see such a film. If the trailer did indeed include the dreaded phrase “fun for the whole family” it would have scared any remianing potential viewers away.

Well, I for one loved “Newsies” way back when it came out (I was about eight) and I recently rewatched it with some friends, and I still enjoy it. I always liked the songs and the dancing newsboys; the energy is fantastic. Even so, watching it now made me more aware of how terribly corny everything in the movie is, although I suppose that’s to be expected in a Disney movie. Christian Bale’s accent is horrendous, although my friends didn’t seem to mind, and it was definitely a bit too long. Still, I like most of the songs (especially “Santa Fe”, “Carrying the Banner”, and “Seize the Day”) and the fact that Christian Bale is so terribly good-looking didn’t hurt.

And as far as commercials with nothing but newsboys dancin’… Well, I don’t know why anyone would think twice about going to see it! :smiley:

Is there a Doctorow in the house? :smiley:

I loved Newsies as a kid. Loved it.

We got it on dvd about a year ago and I still really liked it. I watched it about five times in one week. I think a lot of it is nostalgia value though.

That’s strange, none of the three musicals that fit this description (that I can think of off the top of my head) have been filmed.

Give us a hint: Who’s the composer?

I think I know which one you mean. I never got around to seeing it (though I know the songs), I used to be too wise.

I also know that my high school art teacher (who directed school plays from time to time) wrote a play w/music about union organization.

Comparitively, Newsies was a masterpiece.
Lamia, I didn’t hate it. It was cute, there were some fun moments, and it was what it was. I don’t see myself taping it for future viewings next time it shows up on the Disney channel. But, interesting choice. Great analysis.

We had a thread about Velvet Goldmine recently, and one of these days I think I’m going to have to do a double-feature of that movie with Newsies and see if I can blow my own mind.

Both are musicals, more or less.

Both star Christian Bale as a young man who works for a newspaper in New York and has a past he’d like to forget.

But one is an R-rated extravaganza about gay/bi 1970s glam rock stars, and one is a PG-rated Disney family flick about 1890s newsboys going on strike.

Okay, they’re rather fit newsboys that all live together in New York City, like to dance, and are big Ann-Margret fans, but no one in Newsies is openly gay.

I’ve had way too much going on (plus my car was in the shop for a week, and I couldn’t bring myself to ask anyone for a ride to the video store to rent this particular movie), so I just got around to watching this tonight.

Yikes.

Interesting to see it again. I was an adult when it came out, so it doesn’t have the primal place in my musical-loving psyche that it seems to have for a lot of you. Christian Bale, though – hubba hubba. (Hey, he was 18 at the time, making him a legal, if not a moral, object of my mature appreciation.)

The dancing was pretty MTV – it’s really not a good sign when the choreographer (Peggy Holmes, who I’ve never heard of) is listed down there with the key grip and the crane operator. The director, Kenny Ortega, has more credits as a choreographer than a director – he choreographed such classics as Xanadu (which, if ever I’ve seen it, mercifully I’ve forgotten every single detail of) and Dirty Dancing (which I didn’t care for). Anyway, the dancing has the athleticism of, say, the work of Michael Kidd’s (Seven Brides for Seven Brothers) or Jerome Robbins (West Side Story), but not the grace or exaltation of either.

I’m not sure I buy Lamia’s argument that it single-handedly killed the musical for a decade – though it did certainly do some damage. (Let me see, there was Strictly Ballroom, and, uh …)

Interesting choice, though – thanks for picking it, Lamia!

(BTW, does anyone have an exact count of the number of anthemic songs in the movie?)

I saw Newsies when I was little. I’ve danced all my life, and I love just about anything with lots of good dance scenes. And it doesn’t help that some of those boys are pretty good looking. I really like the songs too–I have several on my iPod, and I own a Newsies piano book (thus forever cementing my spot in the nerd hall of fame). Last year they showed Newsies on my university movie channel, and I watched it about three times that week.

Some further thoughts, on reflection:

On choreographers: In the final credits, they list Kenny Ortega and Peggy Holmes. (I was still watching the movie when I was writing this last night – oops! busted! – and went by the IMDb listing. Yes, I’ve submitted a correction to them.) It doesn’t make me any more impressed with the quality of the choreography.

On Ann-Margret: My theory is that someone on high wanted a Big Musicals Name to throw onto the marquee – and also wanted to insert a little color into the movie. (“All those freakin’ browns!”) So the creative team thought, “Okay, fine, we have to shoehorn Ann-Margret in? I know, we can set up a kind of ironic counterpart here.” “But that doesn’t make any sense!” “Who cares? It’s a musical – no one expects it to make sense.”

On Jack kissing David’s sister at the end: Wouldn’t have happened. It bothered me.

On the accents: Another theory from the creative mind of la twicks: They had a competition on set to see who could do the worst freakin’ accent and not have the director call them on it. It turned out to be a tie between Christian Bale and Robert Duvall. For some reason Bill Pullman decided to sit it out.

On Trey Parker as Kid Blink: No, it’s not the same Trey Parker.

[OT]Lamia – I thought I had your email address, but I don’t. I wanted to ask you something – could you email me at twickster47 at yahoo dot com? Thanks.[/OT]

Not quite single-handedly, and the genre had already been in decline for years. Big-budget live-action musicals were already considered risky by Hollywood by at least the late '80s. But if anyone could pull it off, Disney could. The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast had both been hits, and both took Oscars for Best Song and Best Score. Newsies even had the same composer as those movies.

So when Newsies flopped anyway, it seemed like pretty good evidence that the genre had flatlined. With the notable exception of movies targeted at children, musicals were starting to look less like longshots and more like surefire misses. There was Evita in '96 (which didn’t do too well, although it didn’t lose as much as Newsies), but that was about it for live-action Hollywood musicals for the rest of the decade.

I can’t help but wonder if things might have worked out differently if not for the untimely death of Howard Ashman. He and Alan Menken were under contract with Disney to do the songs for two animated films and one live-action film. They were originally supposed to work on The Little Mermaid and Aladdin, but then Disney asked them to do Beauty and the Beast between those two. Ashman died before Aladdin was complete, and I don’t believe he ever began the live-action project. I don’t know what that project would have been – maybe Newsies, since Menken did the music for that too, or maybe something else – but given the quality of his other work I’m sure it would have been good.