bows Thank you. Indeed that kind of thing probably explains my presence in the top three of all nine leagues I’m in this year. 
That I’m only in first in two of them (one point out of first in a third) goes to show just how hard it it is to win at this game.
I’m looking forward to see what else you have to say on the keeper picks.
Have I mentioned I love this game? I love this game.
Wow. Then I guess I should be pretty damned proud of myself in SDMB_1, huh? Wow. How the hell did I do that?
I’m going to go through and respond to things I see as I get to them. A couple of points first.
Like I said in my last post, my main evaluative tool to quantify the value of these players is a prediction of where they would go in a typical draft. If a guy is a great young player but wouldn’t be drafted until the 5th round, there’s no point in keeping him.
Perhaps my experience in this league was unique, but the lesson I learned was that in a half-size league pitching stats are much harder to come by. You can always find somebody to get ABs out of, but there are only so many guys out there that pitch under 5.00 ERA. There are a lot more HRs every day than Ws, essentially. I drafted Rodrigo Lopez as my #2 starter behind Hudson (who didn’t win a game until, like, last week, darn that slow A’s offense) and floundered in the middle of the pack until I improved my staff midseason, then I took off. So I clearly valued pitching far more than the rest of you jfor this analysis, for what that’s worth.
I agree with Fewl; I’d love to see the number of players increased to 10. 12 might be a stretch, but I know I’d be up for it. Do we have a final count on how many of us are playing next year?
We definitely need to come up with rules for this. I don’t think people should be able to massage the system this way. In my opinion, you should get to keep up to 3 guys. The draft starts with whatever players go unkept, in reverse order of the previous year’s standings. No exceptions, changes, or hijinks to the system should be allowed. If you want to keep only 2 players you can, but you don’t get any special privileges for it.
Is there any reason to do it any way other than that?
Fewl, let’s talk in the offseason about putting something together for next season as far as the blog idea we were discussing. I absolutely adore this game myself, and doing more analysis of this kind with you would be a lot of fun next year (and Wilson too (don’t think I haven’t noticed you in those pickem leagues too ;), or anyone else who’s interested).
Couple of quick responses, without bothering to quote:
WL wondered about Jeter. Keep in mind that he missed 40 games this year. He has not had a history of major injuries, so there’s no reason to expect a repeat. You also didn’t mention his 85 runs, in only 116 games. Plus, he’s a SS. And, if the Yankees keep their current lineup intact, he’ll be batting 3rd, between Nick Johnson and Jason Giambi, so he should if healthy be huge in Rs and RBIs. He’s no A-Rod, no Nomar, but he’s the third best SS (unless we change the league and put in SLG, in which case Tejada is probably better).
Ah, I’m probably biased toward him cause I’m running my first OOTP5 sim, using current players, and he’s stolen 40 bases by the all-star break.
And how did I miss David Ortiz on Chaosophers? He’s a huge reason why my team in SDMB_1 has held on to second. He’s certainly worth considering. I would most definitely NOT consider Bernie. He’s been bad this year, and I can easily see him collapsing next year. As a Yankee fan, I sort of wish he’d collapse now, so that the Yanks can sign Vlad and move Matsui to center…
It’s interesting to see that I’m sort of in the middle on the value of pitchers as keepers, with FF violently against, and WL keeping more than me.
There is another way to do keepers, WL - you could keep up to 3 (or some other number). If you keep one, that is your first round pick. If you keep two, they are your first two. If you keep three, they are your first three. So if everyone else keeps three and you keep two, in your pick in round three you get to pick amongst all the unkept players. Basically, if you think your third best is a worse player than some of the people the good teams will drop, you might only keep two. Doesn’t the SDMB Keeper work that way?
Boy, the board is flying now. It took me forever to get my posts through late last night.
WL, you would keep Colon over Santana? I’m shocked by that, frankly. I could see Hudson over Santana, but no way Colon.
You’re a Yankees fan? Did I know that already? Let the record show that this post is the last where I will ever address you directly. 
I don’t know how ‘SDMB Keeper’ works their system. I’ll ask Zev later.
Speaking of Zev, and since you brought it up, you’re going to be one of the expansion teams in the OOTP league after this season, aren’t you?
Anyway, I don’t like that system you outlined because it rewards you for making bad decisions and failing to plan ahead. And it sort of ruins the whole concept of having a keeper league, doesn’t it? If you like my 4th best player better than some of yours, just choose not to keep your guys and you get to draft from mine instead? Nah. That pays off teams with bad players because you can just vulture everyone else’s surplus instead of keeping your own.
I understand it’s not as extreme as I make it out to be, I guess. You’re giving up your potential #1 to pick over everyone else’s #4s. Okay, now I’m thinking about it. But it just doesn’t sit right with me to let somebody have first crack at the draft pool as a result of their not having had enough good players to keep. I dunno.
You’re right about Jeter to some extent (I didn’t realize he had missed that many games), but I still don’t see him as a standout keeper candidate.
Just for giggles I compared him to my favorite player (Trot Nixon of course), who had 441 ABs this year to the Jete’s 472. He scored 4 fewer runs (batting almost exclusively from the 6, 7, and 8 spots in the order), 16 fewer hits (the difference between .306 and .320), equal doubles, almost three times as many homers (28 to 10), 87 RBI to 52, and even threw in 4 SBs to Jeter’s 10. His OBP was marginally higher and of course his slugging was where he really shone, combining for a heroic OPS of .975 to Jeter’s humdrum .837.
So Jeter offers slightly better BA (BA ONLY, not OBP or OPS) and a few more steals than a guy that won’t be drafted before the 6th round at the earliest.
Okay, so positionally Jeter has a huge advantage over any outfielder. Why don’t we have a look at Trot’s teammate Todd Walker. He’s got 576 ABs this year so we can multiply all his counting stats by 82% to come a little closer to Jeter’s numbers.
Runs: Jeter 85 Walker 90 (equiv to 74)
2B: Jeter 24 Walker 37 (eq. 30)
HR Jeter 10 Walker 12 (eq 10)
RBI Jeter 52 Walker 83 (eq 68)
Walker doesn’t steal bases, and Jeter hits better than he does (.283/.333 to .320/.390)
So Jeter has runs, steals, and BA/OBP, Walker has 2B and RBI, HRs are even. Jeter’s probably a better producer. But there isn’t even a mention of Walker as a keeper, and I don’t think I’d be hard-pressed to win the argument that there’s more strength in the AL at SS than at 2B. Anybody wanna see me do this comparison for Jeter and Mueller? Jeter doesn’t even come close anywhere but runs (comparable) and steals (Mueller doesn’t run either). I think I’d argue that AL SS is also stronger than AL 3B as a position. Of course, Mueller’s just experienced something that goes beyond the concept of a ‘career year,’ but then so did Ortiz and Fewl is recommending him for potential keeper status.
Yeah, I’d keep Colon over Santana. He’s a proven commodity and is virtually guaranteed to pitch his 200 innings at the top of any rotation in any given season. Santana’s raw and untested and struggled at times this year (due partially of course to the way Gardenhire used him). He’s no ace, not yet anyway. Are you telling me you’d draft Santana, right now, for next season before you’d draft Colon?
Ummm. WL, my two team names in SDMB_1 and Melting Pot are the Yankees original team name (well, in NY at least), and a tribute to their utility infielder. I kinda thought people would figure that out. Well, I guess non-Red Sox fans would get it.
Yes, I am a long time (1990 or so) Yankee fan. Got my last game of the sixteen game ticket package this year on Sunday. I tend to try to avoid taking Yankees in fantasy leagues, since I wonder if I am impartial. I’ve sort of relaxed that this year.
I would like to say, it is darned impressive that you won the Melting Pot league while not ever having a single Yankee. Although looking at your team log, you did at one point have two former Yankees, so you’re not totally pure!
Colon this year: IP 233 W 14 K 170 ERA 3.90 WHIP 1.22 K/BB 2.58
And Santana: IP 153.1 W 12 K 166 ERA 3.17 WHIP 1.12 K/BB 3.61
Plus Santana is six years younger. Although to be honest I thought Santana’s numbers were better - turns out he hasn’t been too good in September. In a keeper league, I’m pretty sure I’d take Santana first. His upside is enormous.
On the Jeter question… as you point out, Mueller did just have a career year, and Jeter’s had an off year in some of the fantasy categories. Todd Walker’s really not close to Jeter (although I’ll grant you that SS is slightly deeper than 2B).
Please note that I did not suggest that Jeter is better than Nomar. Either in fantasy OR real life.
Yes, he’s been in touch with me about it. I just sent him an email letting him know that I was definitely interested.
Seeing your and FF’s reaction to my suggestion of not keeping Delgado, I got to thinking, but didn’t he have an off year in 2002? Well, I just looked at his stats, and that’s one heck of an off year. I most definitely agree now that Delgado’s got to stay over Loaiza.
Damnit, how does a Yankee hater like me end up defending Derek Jeter? I’m a damn fantasy baseball pragmatist, I guess.
Sorry, WL, but I can’t see Walker being anywhere near in the same class as Jeter. You like track records? Jeter’s got one. Walker doesn’t. You might try adjusting the current season’s stats of both Walker and Jeter up to Jeter’s average AB’s per season for his career.
Also, Jeter has a slight edge in age. And I suspect that he’s due for at least a slight power spike over the next couple of seasons.
And remember that the reason he missed almost 40 games was a dislocated shoulder. That’s got to affect both his power and his willingness to steal bases. I’m betting that the off-season will get him very close to healthy. Thankfully, this is hypothetical exercise and I get to see how he performs next year before I have to think about him as a keeper. I would draft him next season.
Mueller has had a career season this year. The differences between him and David Ortiz are of age and upside.
Mueller will be 33 in 2004 and no one has ever looked for the kind of power from him that he showed this year. We may see a similar season from him next year, though I expect at least a small drop off.
On the other hand, Ortiz will be 28 entering next season and the power he showed this year was neither unprecedented nor unexpected. It just came a little later than some thought it might. I look for him to put even better numbers than he has this season.
Oh, and the keeper thing? That did happen in the SDMB Keeper league this past spring. I wasn’t the person who did it, though I’d considered it. We were able to keep up to 5 players from last season. Seven teams kept 5, three teams kept 4, one team kept 2, one team kept 0.
The draft proceeded pretty much as Wilson described. I didn’t see it as a problem. Still don’t. Wouldn’t bother me if it happened again, or if it didn’t happen again.
On my team, Delgado would get the nod over either Loaiza or Tejada. Tejada made me miserable all year.
Regarding the league itself - I don’t think anyone should have to declare their keepers until the beginning of Feb, by which time everyone should have landed. That prevents the sort of thing FF mentioned of free agents signing in the other league. I have Zev’s keeper league constitution bookmarked for reference, as well, and will be developing one for our own league during the off-season.
I don’t see a problem, either, with people keeping their quota, or none. Yeah, if they don’t keep the quota, they get first pick, but those who DID keep their quotas obviously see those guys as early-rounders anyway. Whoever DOESN’T keep all their guys may, or may not, be starting at a disadvantage depending on where the keeper picks fall.
Another thing I’m considering is changing the categories. Specifically, doubles. Doubles just don’t make any sense without triples, but the “extra base hits” category also includes homers, and I don’t want them to count twice, nor do I want their impact diminished by not counting them separately at all. I wish there were a category for “doubles and triples”. Ah, well. I’m open to input.
Briefly:
I wasn’t trying to say Walker was comparable to Jeter, at all. My point was just that: You guys talk about Jeter as an obvious lock for a keeper pick, but Walker doesn’t even merit consideration (and rightly so), but their stats aren’t all that far off. The point about Jeter’s injury is well taken.
I see what y’all mean about the keeper quota too. Okay, I’m fine with doing it that way too. Whatever works.
No argument about Ortiz either. ‘Funny’ how he’s got so many admirers now, in the preseason I hardly talked to anyone who liked him at all, much less regarded him as positively as I did, and I’m talking about my fellow Sox fans. Haters. The primary reason he’s been a late bloomer, by the way, is because he kept getting hurt (and the Metrodome turf wasn’t helping any).
Mueller’s better than people think, he’s got a quick bat, makes good contact, and drives the ball. He doesn’t have much of what we typically think of as power, but he’s a perfect fit for Fenway (interestingly, his SLG splits are fairly even, which I didn’t expect, but he did bat over 30 points higher at home this year) and has developed into a solid doubles hitter.
Stats: I really liked counting doubles. I agree that it should really be doubles plus triples. We could consider moving the league off of Yahoo and onto something a little more customizable. I’d be willing to chip in to run our league from a pay site if it netted us more features, especially if we’re going to be able to maintain a core of players in our league.
I feel very strongly that keepers should be picked at the end of the season and not in February. We had this same debate about the football league we just started. Predicting off-season changes should be part of the challenge.
Anybody think Delgado just got back into the AL MVP race yesterday?
Normally, I would agree with you about picking keepers at the end of the season - but with the league being AL only, I’m not so sure. I’ll admit it certainly would bring an element of baseball (contract status) into play in fantasy in a new way, at least for me.
The AL MVP race is fascinating, isn’t it? So many candidates. Delgado, A-Rod, Manny (not that he has a chance), Posada, Giambi, Chavez, Foulke, Bret Boone, Nomar, Beltran… I could make a case for any of them. I’ve even heard people suggest David Ortiz or (shudder) Shannon Stewart.
I think A-Rod will get it, but am no means sure. My ballot would start with A-Rod, Manny, Posada, Delgado and Boone.
I’m with Wilson on picking keepers in February in an AL only league. It would really suck to see a team’s best keeper get traded at the winter meetings.
Sure, the idea of being able to predict what will happen is great. But we’re talking about major league baseball here – we’d be leaving ourselves at the mercy of the stupidity of management and owners. I wouldn’t even wish that on WL. 
Seriously, I think that with the smaller pool we draw from we have to take very great care with anything which can affect the competitive balance of the league.
I’m willing to give triples a shot. What the hell. But I think we might consider adding a couple more pitching categories to balance things out. Holds, maybe? And outs – yeah, outs, because what’s a pitcher’s job? To get batters out.
Delgado probably did put himself back in MVP contention yesterday. As a Canadian, and as a Jays fan, it’d be cool to have him win it. But it’d be even cooler if he won the award by being the MVP. He’s had a great year, but it’s nothing on A-Rod’s. Now that man is far and away the best player in the AL. And the second-best in the game.
People can play with semantics all they want and say that “best” doesn’t necessarily mean “most valuable” but at the end of the season the numbers don’t lie. How can the best player in the league not be the most valuable?
A-Rod, Boone, Manny, Delgado, Posada.
Cy Young:
Hudson, Halladay, Pedro, Loaiza, Mussina.
More pitching stats would be good. But I tried holds last year as a pitching category. The problem with it is that it’s SO variable a stat - there don’t seem to be any hard-and-fast rules concerning awarding it because it isn’t an “official” kind of thing. I like it because it makes setup men more valuable, and, in a league with so few closers, that’s a good thing. But it didn’t work so well last year because it was more a thing of luck than design. Outs would be good. I like Inherited Runners Scored/Stranded a lot, too as a relief category - I think it’s a more reliable indicator of skill than Holds are. However, I don’t know that it’s available on Yahoo.
As far as determining when keepers are named, because we are AL-only and don’t know where all the pieces will fall till late in the off-season, I still vote for February for official decisions. Doing it in November would give managers whose players switched leagues a gap that would mean they’d get an early pick - exactly the situation WL said earlier he’d prefer to avoid. It cannot work both ways. I’m fine with either option (or a potential compromise of late December - by which time MOST, but not all, decisions will be made), but, if we go for November (and, mind you, this won’t be an issue for another year, so we have plenty of time to discuss it), it would be a good idea, perhaps, to rank each keeper - if that player switched leagues, the manager would get a pick in the corresponding round. For example, if I chose to keep Delgado first, Blalock second, and Varitek third, and Blalock was traded to the NL after I had announced my picks, I would get a pick in the second round as compensation.
Hey, teams get compensatory draft picks when their free agents (who’ve been offered arbitration) are signed by another team. It only seems fair.
Oh, and I’d love to change the number of active players. I liked the way rackensack had it set up this year.
Okay, I’ve changed my mind on the keeper timeframe for two reasons. First, that this is baseball, and player movement is much less predictable than in football. Second, I didn’t really consider the AL-only thing. So, okay, maybe right after the season isn’t ideal if we’re going to be sticklers about it. But we do still need to save work for the commish (and ourselves) – keep in mind that Yahoo doesn’t maintain rosters or leagues in the offseason. Our league will disappear by early December and we won’t have access to our team rosters.
As a compromise, why don’t we pick keepers after the WS, but pick three keepers and one alternate? Or even two (ranked) alternates. So that if one of the keepers disappears, the alternate just plugs n’ plays. I still think people should pick from their own rosters before going to the draft pool. But since I seem to be in the minority on this issue I’m happy to make the keeper system more flexible and have each team pick between 0-3 keepers as they like.
I’d prefer not to use triples as an additional counting stat. It’s very random and favors an extremely small number of players (especially in an AL-only league). Cristian Guzman instantly becomes as valuable as most closers. I definitely think we should add it to the doubles stat if possible, but giving it its own stat is too much weight. I also would hate to see holds added, for mostly the reasons Winnowill brings up. Anyway, good middle relief/setup men are valuable enough as it is. And again, I’d love to chip in to move our league to someplace that has more features than Yahoo offers.
Fewl, check out the stats. Delgado > Rodriguez. Especially by MVP voters’ standards. 141 RBI is no laughing matter. I’ve heard the same Ortiz and Stewart proposals. Stewart is just ludicrous, but if you expand Ortiz’s stats to a full season he’s got a legitimate shot. But nobody with 440 ABs should ever win the MVP. Manny and Nomar take each other’s votes too much to be serious threats. Giambi’s having an off-year, the Mariners’ total failure to play after the break destroys any chance Boone had (plus the fact that he’s had better years recently). I don’t think Beltran had enough ABs. Posada will mix it up if only due to Yankee bias. But I really think it’ll come down to a two-horse race between Rodriguez and Delgado. I give the edge to A-Rod because of all the talk about him the last few years and the fact that there aren’t any solid candidates from a contender to challenge him, and I also think Wells might take some potential Delgado votes. Although goodness knows the voters are fully capable of surprising us all.
Since we’re already here, I’ll just go ahead and post my year-end awards ballot, if nobody minds.
AL MVP
AL Cy
AL ROY
AL Manager
I would be quite happy to maintain the final rosters of all the teams in the league at the end of the season. It’s not difficult to print 'em all out and stick 'em in a spreadsheet to e-mail.
I’d also be happy to go to a pay service as WL suggests. I’d REALLY love a keeper league where budgets are a consideration, a factor which makes keeper leagues SO much more valuable. Imagine you’d bought ARod his rookie year for…whatever he was going for then, and kept him? Saves a HUGE amount of money on your budget. I’d love to work the budget aspect, but Yahoo doesn’t offer it. 'Course, I dunno if the managers planning to join this league would be interested in that sort of thing - auctions do tend to draw out a draft (or so I’d imagine, never having done one.)
I would be. If that was a question.
Sorry to be so late posting the final standings. Blame Hurricane Juan. Power was out here for 24 hours. Congratulations to the three league champions. I’ve given them royal blue/
SDMB Keeper
Overall Points
Rank Team R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP TOTAL
1 Stockholm Sluggers 12 12 11 10 2 12 10.5 12 12 12 105.5
2 Schrodingers Bat 9 8 12 9 8 6.5 10.5 11 9 9.5 92.5
3 Logan Square Bombers 4 7 8 4 6.5 11 5 8 11 9.5 74
4 Mr. Ecks 22 6.5 10 10 1 4 3 12 10 5 7.5 69
5 Rocky Peaks 5 9 7 3 11 6.5 8 4 6 6 65.5
6 Accidental Tourists 8 6 2 2 10 10 2 7 7 11 65
7 Les Miserables 3 2 5 8 9 8 9 6 8 5 63
8 Continental Drifters 11 11 9 6 12 1.5 7 1 2 1 61.5
9 Zevs Wolves 10 4 4 12 6.5 4 3 3 3.5 3 53
10 Bolshevik Revolution 1 1 3 5 1 9 6 9 10 7.5 52.5
11 Flys Sox 2 3 1 11 4 5 1 5 3.5 4 39.5
12 Baltimore Weirdos 6.5 5 6 7 4 1.5 4 2 1 2 39
Overall Statistics
Rank Team R HR RBI SB AVG W SV K ERA WHIP
1 Stockholm Sluggers 862 235 826 115 .274 96 110 1141 3.46 1.20
2 Schrodingers Bat 822 216 882 113 .282 75 110 1073 3.72 1.25
3 Logan Square Bombers 772 203 784 82 .280 88 76 1027 3.58 1.25
4 Mr. Ecks 22 804 229 822 58 .276 69 114 1051 4.02 1.26
5 Rocky Peaks 796 218 775 77 .293 75 88 883 4.00 1.29
6 Accidental Tourists 814 201 697 64 .292 87 32 959 3.80 1.22
7 Les Miserables 749 179 738 97 .284 80 90 927 3.76 1.30
8 Continental Drifters 860 233 802 86 .298 68 82 686 4.46 1.38
9 Zevs Wolves 823 190 730 128 .280 72 51 857 4.17 1.35
10 Bolshevik Revolution 728 178 705 83 .272 84 77 1028 3.64 1.26
11 Flys Sox 737 180 667 122 .276 74 9 913 4.17 1.33
12 Baltimore Weirdos 804 193 744 95 .276 68 65 768 4.48 1.36
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Melting Pot
Overall Points
Rank Team R 2B HR RBI SB AVG OBP W SV K ERA WHIP K/BB TOTAL
1 WLs Theocracy 9 9 9 9 4 9 6 5 7 7 8 7 4 93
2 The Sleepers 6 8 4 5 6.5 6 9 6 8 9 4 5.5 5 82
3 Winnowills Winners 8 7 8 8 8 4 2 8 3 5 7 3.5 2 73.5
3 The Saskodies 7 6 6 7 9 5 3 2 5 3 9 8.5 3 73.5
5 Highlanders 5 5 1 3 1 3 7 9 9 8 3 2 7 63
6 Chaosophers 4 1 3 2 5 8 4 7 2 4 6 8.5 8 62.5
7 Saskatoon Locusts 2 3 2 1 2 1 5 3 6 6 2 5.5 9 47.5
8 Rally Monkey 3 2 7 6 3 7 8 4 1 2 1 1 1 46
9 Portland Expos 1 4 5 4 6.5 2 1 1 4 1 5 3.5 6 44
Overall Statistics
Rank Team R 2B HR RBI SB AVG OBP W SV K ERA WHIP K/BB
1 WLs Theocracy 835 326 207 805 79 .296 .351 81 77 932 3.82 1.28 2.27
2 The Sleepers 754 316 169 703 87 .280 .357 84 82 956 4.21 1.30 2.33
3 Winnowills Winners 761 291 191 764 109 .270 .334 89 24 870 3.85 1.31 2.23
3 The Saskodies 760 263 174 728 120 .275 .338 68 56 843 3.80 1.27 2.24
5 Highlanders 708 259 150 627 62 .269 .355 94 85 955 4.24 1.33 2.46
6 Chaosophers 705 229 163 615 80 .283 .344 85 20 865 3.88 1.27 2.47
7 Saskatoon Locusts 666 234 155 610 72 .262 .350 74 60 885 4.25 1.30 2.71
8 Rally Monkey 702 231 189 727 77 .281 .356 75 8 785 5.17 1.47 1.67
9 Portland Expos 605 240 173 659 87 .268 .326 58 27 669 4.11 1.31 2.42
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SDMB_1
Overall Points
Rank Team R HR SB FPCT OBP SLG W SV K TB ERA WHIP TOTAL
1 Shelbyvillians 13 11.5 11 6 9.5 12.5 9.5 12 12 8 13 12.5 130.5
2 E. Wilson All-Stars 9 8.5 1 10.5 12 8.5 11 11 13 10 10 12.5 117
3 Rickeys Residue 11 11.5 12.5 2 7 6 6.5 13 10 9 12 11 111.5
4 Out On Waveland 10 13 7 10.5 4 12.5 6.5 5 9 12 11 9.5 110
5 WLs Blue Sox 12 10 6 8 9.5 10.5 9.5 7 8 7 8 6 101.5
6 Isotopes 7 6 9 8 13 7 8 6 11 2 5.5 7.5 90
7 Saskatoon Yaksmen 4 4 8 12 7 3 1 9 2 13 9 7.5 79.5
8 Winnowills Winners 8 7 12.5 8 2 1 4.5 8 5 6 7 5 74
9 Baltimore Weirdos 6 2 10 13 7 2 4.5 10 4 4 2 3 67.5
10 Rackensack Diamonds 5 8.5 2 1 5 10.5 12 2 3 5 4 4 62
11 Lake Merritt Marlins 1 1 5 5 3 4 13 3 7 3 5.5 9.5 60
12 Blakes Bears 2 5 4 3.5 11 8.5 2 4 1 11 1 1.5 54.5
13 Debs Halos 3 3 3 3.5 1 5 3 1 6 1 3 1.5 34
Overall Statistics
Rank Team R HR SB FPCT OBP SLG W SV K TB ERA WHIP
1 Shelbyvillians 1108 270 126 .985 .360 .482 85 94 1211 1942 3.54 1.22
2 E. Wilson All-Stars 965 240 78 .987 .364 .475 87 92 1229 1829 3.72 1.22
3 Rickeys Residue 993 270 146 .981 .358 .466 77 103 1037 1869 3.62 1.23
4 Out On Waveland 992 287 108 .987 .345 .482 77 58 1030 1714 3.64 1.29
5 WLs Blue Sox 1059 262 102 .986 .360 .480 85 69 978 1954 3.93 1.31
6 Isotopes 940 225 114 .986 .365 .467 82 62 1073 2095 4.03 1.30
7 Saskatoon Yaksmen 870 212 112 .988 .358 .448 65 82 802 1539 3.81 1.30
8 Winnowills Winners 954 233 146 .986 .338 .436 75 72 911 1976 4.01 1.32
9 Baltimore Weirdos 920 205 125 .990 .358 .445 75 90 849 2035 4.68 1.38
10 Rackensack Diamonds 907 240 85 .980 .351 .480 90 45 816 1991 4.21 1.36
11 Lake Merritt Marlins 803 204 95 .984 .344 .451 93 49 934 2038 4.03 1.29
12 Blakes Bears 810 221 88 .983 .362 .475 68 52 772 1762 4.85 1.40
13 Debs Halos 820 211 87 .983 .337 .453 73 43 933 2208 4.63 1.40
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