I think it was Thomas Jefferson who first championed the right of free speech for all Americans, by asserting that King George had issued a tax on moon monkeys and then yelling at anyone who tried to disagree with him that they were prejudiced against monkeys and thus against the concept of liberty itself.
Who can forget his now-famous quote? “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the paragraphs of pedants and nitpickers.”
Inspiring words.
not_alice,
I mentioned that Cesario’s threads are often advocacy precisely because I thought YOU would be interested in them. For someone professing such a strong intellectual interest in the topic of pedophilia, I don’t know why you are being so stubborn about not reading his prior posts. Seriously, you should start a thread in GQ or Great Debates if you want to talk about academic research regarding pedophilia. I think you would get positive responses (just look at the other Pit thread started by Pdoul to see that people have responded positively to the mental health issue(s) associated with pedophilia).
Also, given your rabid interest in open discussion of ideas, I wonder why it is so offensive to you that people would pit Cesario if they disagree with his viewpoint. That happens all the time here - people get pitted for their viewpoints. Other people join in the Pitting on either side of the argument as they see fit. Really, you are arguing both sides of the coin here.
I’m all for discussion of mental illnesses. In fact, it would be super duper if we could discuss whatever mental defect you’re suffering from.
Oh, and btw, jackass, in the ATMB thread on this subject I said I had no problem with this topic being discussed. But hey, jerkoff, make up whatever shit you want.
I’m a sick fuck because I have a problem with someone talking about how they want children to be able to consent to sex? I don’t think so, Bub.
Good. Then you have plenty of opportunity to discuss it without having a particular thread for someone to talk about it here.
If you’re so damned interested, then there are plenty of OTHER places to discuss it.
Oooh. I get it now. You’re a fucking zealot. Nobody likes zealots which pretty much explains why you’re getting your ass handed to you in this thread.
Funny.
Care to share with us how many new members your board has garnished in the last week or so?
Hey, serious question though - do you have any objections to a discussion on the issues raised in de Sade’s “Philosophy of the Bedroom”? Because IIRC, this widely available book discusses pretty much the same topics that you seem Cesario has on his mind.
In case you aren’t familiar with it (and the other related works in the same book) here is the link on Amazon: Amazon.com
Do you really want to start a board war?
You could just go over there and ask, rather than bring it up as a non sequitur here. And speaking of non sequiturs…
How does one “garnish” new members?
This thread is surreal. And stupid. That is all.
I am not being stubborn - how do you know what I have and haven’t read? Mom?
Why? I can do that every day with real live professionals?
If we can call people stubborn, why are you being to stubborn to understand the post where I said what I don’t get out of discussions with the professionals I know are the specifics of any particular case, nor do I get to meet the clients, al for ethical reasons of course.
It was the possibility of drawing a real live case into the holes in the discussions I have had previously, and to further discuss the results with the professionals I know that held the appeal for me.
Without the AT thread, it is hard for me to see the appeal. And without being able to “provoke”/include Cesario, and with Claude Remains and Pduol; having been chastized directly or indirectly by the board’s fervor, I doubt there will now be a detente where such a discussion will be possible.
Shame for all of us, I am sure we all could stand to learn something on the topic.
I didn’t see that as “positive”, I saw it as pitying, or more like saying “you use words that appease us” so we will appease you. I am not interested in appeasing anyone, only learning about mental health issues of such men.
Perhaps Pduol is engaging in an interesting adaptive behavior, I don’t know, but I am not fooled for a minute that the people in that thread are suddenly less vile in their condemnations of pedophilia then they have been in the other threads.
People can pit whatever they want to pit. Free Speech and all. I don’t make the decisions on that on this board.
But if that is a serious question, here is a serious answer: What I don’t think people understand is that Cesario is very likely mentally ill. It sounds like he has been diagnosed, or knows full well what the diagnosis would be if he were to be.
As such, we should give him some leeway in attributing motivations and world view to him that we would if he were not mentally ill. That doesn’t mean he gets to act on his fantasies or illness, and he seems to understand that much.
So to me, that creates a pocket for positive interaction - maybe we learn about what truly goes on in his mind by listening, observing, and correlating with the professional literature, and maybe he gathers enough strength to seek treatment without vilification.
Pretty much as I would hope we do with anyone reaching out with a mental illness, or even physical illness. I have seen threads where we have done that for people struggling with addiction issues, and I have seen threads where we failed to do that for people with suicide ideation and eating disorder issues. so it could go either way. And I am not claiming to have anywhere near a complete history of such threads, that is only what I have seen.
No, I am not on the other board, but Giraffe seems to be straddling both while running one, and running adds on this one touting the other while he stirs up shit here.
I don’t have a big horse in that race, only thought to mention it. I am truly curious if some who have expressed outrage, and even said they would leave here, have moved over there, or if people are now members of both that weren’t before.
No big deal, it is just tangential.
One runs ads on the same board one is stirring up shit on for another board. If there is a way to post an image here, I will post a screen shot.
Note that “SnackPit”,which is also running ads, might be playing it up even more. that one says “We allow socks, but we are 100% pedophile free, Bucko” in my screenshot.
I don’t know who runs that board, but it must be somehow related to here.
not_alice, when you’re the only person who has posted in the thread that thinks your argument makes sense, you might want to consider the possibility that your argument doesn’t make sense.
Oh, yeah, I am the zealot in all of this.
I think “zealot” does not mean what you think it means.
Which wouldn’t surprise me.
I’m shocked that a free speech crusader such as yourself would seem to be implying that I should stop being a poster here simply because I started a separate message board and pay to advertise it. Or that starting a thread to air my opinions of another poster is “stirring up shit”. I’d have thought you’d be championing my right to say what I want when I’m here, regardless of my how I spend the rest of my time.
Guess it depends on exactly what I’m doing in the rest of that time, though, huh?
Sure, but I have been through this before in other threads.
Not everyone has the stomach to say what they want in the face of such vehemence.
But they often write touching defenses via PM.
And you might want to review “tyranny of the majority”. Because a view is popular does not make it either Just or Right.
And because some people are clearly so caught up emotionally in not being able to understand what is before them, their could be lots of reasons for that, but in the end, those reasons do not negate the material in front of them.
Quoted for comedy.
Eh, Maybe you should stop inferring, you are going to hurt yourself.
All I asked was to account for the growth (if any) on your board during all this.
I don’t care that you are here, or that you advertise here. Be transparent about it though - it is fair to wonder if there is a connection between your posts, your ads, and whatever your interest is in another board.
As I noted, yours is not the only one exploiting the situation, and from the ads I noticed, not the worst offender either.
And yes, I do champion your right to say stupid-ass shit whenever and wherever you want. If you want to start “Ask the stupid-ass shit poster” thread, and others object, I am there for you!
So you “answer” my question with another non sequitur.
More examples of the zero rational discussion coming from your side. I am giving you plenty to show I am wrong, you haven’t even really started to address the top of the list.
Instead, it is one ad hominem attack after another, at your behest and leadership.
You should be thanking me - at least my pit thread didn’t get shut down like yours did, and now all your clowns can play here.
Maybe you should simply look up “to garnish” in the dictionary. It is not just parsley, you know.