jrung, you go into the pit and click on a rant about idiots who dont buckle in their kids. you then say you dont buckle up your child and wonder why everyone jumps on your case. now i know why you dont buckle up your child. youre that stupid.
When I worked as a security guard in the Office of Education in Downey, near Los Angeles, sometimes there were courses in which people had to come in with child seats, and go to a room upstairs where they would meet for some authority to show them how to use the seats. Sounds like a variation on traffic school. That was apparently discontinued after about two years; maybe the laws changed in California. I don’t have kids, so I’ve never dealt with this personally.
Welcome to The BBQ Pit. Please check the F.A.Q., as well as the description of what The BBQ Pit is before telling other members how to speak in here.
Unless you have Moderator or Administrator under your user name, you might very well want to think long and hard about telling other members what to say, and how to say it. You want to give him leeway? Fine and good, that is entirely your right.
Don’t you fucking dare tell me to give that irresponsible man leeway. It takes a fraction of a second to go from tooling along with your baby in your lap to trying to figure out where her head and left arm are. Leeway? Hardly.
:rolleyes:
OTOH, ** Dougie_Monty** brought up something I mentioned up there somewhere. There’s a big difference between putting a baby seat into your car, and learning how to use it to maximum safety ( and efficiency ). Go and find out who in your area gives free clinics for baby seat users. And noooooo, they’re not gonna give you agita for admitting that you may have put it in wrong, or have it in a bit too loosely. That is the whole REASON for the clinics.
Additionally, state regulations do change periodically. In NY State where I live, the laws JUST changed last week regarding the age requirements for back-seat seat belt use.
Bullshit. There is NO context within which it is acceptable to have an unsecured child within a moving vehicle.
If you don’t think it’s safe and acceptable, then don’t fucking do it. And don’t describe yourself as a staunch pro-belt advocate either. You aren’t. You are a person who puts their baby at risk when it suits.
I have better things to do than fluff the ego of some arrogant choad. Like, publicy scorning him. That’s way more fun. Besides, what jungie boy does here is irrelevant. What happens the next time his family goes for a car ride does.
By the way-is it ok to drive drunk if its just three blocks? Or can I just drive pissed as a prom queen runner up if its only just sometimes? 
And, uh, pardon me for not reading what Cartooniverse said, and repeating what he said, but far less eloquently.
By the way, further car seat lecturing from the California AAA
http://aaa-calif.com/westways/0102/kidseats.asp
(Hey look! rjung’s town is home to a kiddie seat non profit org! Call 'em, big guy. If you don’t, a puppy’s gonna cry )
Annie’s right, rjung. No one has a problem with you as a poster. You’re not going to get banned, or even ostracized, for this. We’re just pursuing one RL issue.
Rilchiam, if I were to get banned from the SDMB for this, the SDMB wouldn’t be the kind of board I’d want to patronize. 
Ooooo, poor baby might get his feelings hurt because someone is pointing out to him he’s being a hypocrite and putting an innocent life at risk for a few minutes convenience. Cry me a fucking river. :rolleyes:
If he is sooooooooooooooooo fucking sensitive he should stay the hell away from the BBQ Pit, because the name alone should give you a clue about the type of free-for-all permitted here.
So, tell me, jlzania, if a Mr. Bad Ass is holding up a bank you just happen to be in, is it OK for him to hold a loaded gun to your head because it gives him room to save face? If “fucknugget” wants to endanger his OWN life by driving around unbelted more power to him, but he does not have the right to endanger anyone else. The “reason” he gives for having an unbelted child is the car is bullshit. He and his wife are putting their convenience above their child’s safety. If had any balls at all he’d tell the selfish bitch to leave the kid in the seat for three fucking blocks.
And yes, if he was standing in front of me I’d tell him the same damn thing. Better yet, I’d like to have words with the stupid cunt he’s married to - because I can’t think of a better term than “stupid cunt” for a woman who willingly endangers her child.
I don’t give a flying fuck about his “face”. I do care about his child turning into hamburger surprise in what would otherwise be a survivable accident.
>>>Yawn<<< Uh huh. I’m a New York State Mandated Reporter. I don’t go “postal”, I simply write your license plate down and call the local authorities, and then back up my eyewitness account with a sworn deposition, and the clear knowledge that I may have to testify as well. Only if you actually get caught. With a corpse stuck in the windshield. 
I find your smarmy- eyerolling -nudge -nudge- wink- wink -gosh, some -of -you- Dopers- sure- do -get -riled -up- for- no -good- reason -but- I’m- better- than- you- are- so -I- can- poke- fun- at- you- for- it- attitude to be a grotesque distortion of what a real parent ought to be.
That’s not looney, that’s called being a responsible adult. You don’t have to cotton to that idea, but the defense mechanism you’re employing kind of went out of style in the third grade.
Additionally, that’s a cheap shot at the United States Postal Service.
rjung, since you’re so good at twisting things, like my words, why don’t you twist on down to one of those car-seat clinics.
Wowsers-look at the firestorm a simple suggestion ignited!
To address the issues at hand:
I don’t specifically recall telling you what you could or could not say, Cartooniverse. I merely pointed out that calling people names seldom leads to their enlightenment. I’ve never seen mod or admin under * your name * either but that seldom prevents you from lashing out. I seem to recall you getting totally bent because a poster dared raise a question about the genetic propensity of large buttocks not too long ago. You seemed to think that certain topics should be taboo.
Right, ** Annie **, once again proving my point that you really don’t want to change his mind, do you? Nah. it’s more fun being part of the public pile on.
And Broomstick,
the two situations are not comparable. All I was asking for was room for ** rjung ** to apologize. I was not repeat not giving him carte blanche to drive around without properly securing his child.
I just love the self-righteous frenzy that you can whip your selves into. Do any of you honestly think that you are still doing this out of a deep concern for rjung’s child? I sincerely don’t think so at this stage. No, you’re all too busy seeing who can banging out t the best insult…
jlzania…this thread has been going for at least four days. How much time does it take for rjung to simply say:
“you’re right, I’m wrong…and what I did was wildly irresponsible and I WILL NOT DO IT AGAIN”
The minute I hear that out of rjung…I’m done with the thread.
Without beating a dead horse too much (and I’m having trouble getting pages to load, so forgive me if this has been covered…I can’t go back to page 1), but rjung, does your wife drive around with the kids unsecured when you’re not with her? Is she one of those people I see with kids bouncing around in the back seat, obviously NOT in car seats?
If she lets you drive around with her holding the kid (or is it kids?), what does she do with them when you’re not there? How do you know she buckles them in?
My husband is a volunteer firefighter and he responded to a car accident a few years ago. One car had been t-boned by another running a red light. The car that had been hit was carrying a young couple and their young baby. The husband was driving and wearing his seatbelt, and the wife was in the back seat, wearing her seatbelt, and holding the baby in her arms. Her explanation was that she loved the baby so much she never wanted to put her down. I’m sure everyone here can guess what happened to the baby.
Mom and Dad were both fine since they were wearing their seatbelts, but the baby was like a projectile.
The news media made quite a big deal out of how if she had really loved her baby, she’d have put her IN THE CARSEAT.
Not at all. I just think that before you try to shut a thread down, or an offshoot of an O.P. that you need to mind your place. This is the Pit. Enjoy ! However, your point makes zero sense. No, I am not an Admin or Moderator and yes I lash out when I feel I wish to. Your point is?..
Sincerely? Oye gevalt. You doubt my deep concern for his kid, for EVERY kid I see in this situation, after what I wrote up there? You would rather dictate words to me, so they’re not insulting and yet have the same impact? Good lord, this is the ** PIT**, not the National Press Club Luncheon.
You can call me self righteous aaaaaaaaaaallllll day long. If my self righteousness keeps ONE child from dying because of their parents’ bold-faced arrogance and lack of responsibility, you know what? I can handle that “insult”. Good. I’m self righteous and I hate seeing kids injured and killed.
Guess what? I can sleep at night with that handle. Self-Righteous and Concerned about Kids.
Got it. :wally
Careful there, BiblioCat, or you’ll be labelled as “self-righteous”. :rolleyes:
What an awful story, and yet it hammers home exactly what I am trying to say here. The parents have to put their own agendas totally aside, WHATEVER they may be and keep the kids’ safety foremost in their minds.
What? Why is this so hard for rjung and jlzania to wrap their skulls around???
Can we vote on a “self-righteous” smilie? Isn’t that one of the new ones? :rolleyes:
Because of what he sees as a volunteer FF, my kids never go anywhere without being buckled up. Maybe rjung and his wife need to spend a day doing a ride-along and they might change their minds about what’s okay and what isn’t.
There was another accident here in Baltimore the day before yesterday, a 3-year-old was killed when the stolen minivan in which she was riding, UNRESTRAINED, was hit by another car and she was thrown out of it. Her FATHER was driving it. There were something like 11 or 12 people in the van. Not one of those big passenger vans, this was a regular Chrysler or Dodge minivan for 7 people. No one was wearing seatbelts. What the fuck is wrong with people???
Actually, **BiblioCat’s ** post illustrates exactly the point I’m trying to make. She manages to state her case without being either ugly or self-righteous.
And with all due respect, just who the third tier of Hades are you, Mr. Cartoon, to dictate to me that [
. Could you be a little more presumptuous perhaps? Will you now tell me what topics and forums that I can post in?
Talk about overstepping your boundaries.
And where precisely do you get off suggesting that I am
. Twist words much?
I have never said that what rjung’s is doing is right . I have said that calling him a fucknugget will probably not prompt him to re-examine his behavior. I’ve suggested that there might be more effective ways to make your point.
Why does that send you into such a tizzy?
>shrug< I chose to use a curse word. Deal with it. Sadly for your point of view, my use or disuse of obscenity in this forum in **NO WAY ** invalidates my points.
Bibliocat and I, and others here are preaching the same tale. Look back at the first page of this thread, and read it carefully, ok? There is zero, and I mean ZERO sense from rjung of awareness of the atrocious behavior he seems to be so very proudly defensive of.
Originally Posted by jlzania
This is in fact, what I was addressing ( since you asked, and I felt I should answer you ) when I remarked about wanting us to let it go, and let the thread go. We’re only about our words, and clearly rjung’s words have struck a deeply distressing chord with more than just myself here.
So, you claim not to be trying to control what I say and yet suggest that my use of a curse word isn’t appropriate. AND, you took offense when I reminded you to check the Main Board, and re-read the definition of The BBQ Pit. Fascinating. We can go round and round here endlessly. I won’t apologize to a person who proudly endangers their babies, and I won’t apologize to you for speaking my mind here.
If it’ll make you any more satisfied, I’ll be glad to try to dig around and find as many cites as I can in the last year in NY State alone for infant mortalities due to lack of car restraints.
But…what would it matter?
just a thought as i read this thread:
how many of you self-proclaimed “self-righteous” folks who are dumping on rjung smoke around your, or anyone elses kids?
to me, that is just as bad as driving around with them unbuckled for 3 or 4 miles.
of course, gatopescado is living in the cyber-world, where he never does anything wrong, doesn’t smoke or drink, votes Democratic and is perfect, always!
point is, rjung knows the 3 or 4 mile unbuckled trip is wrong, but he admits this shit happens * in the real world!* he’s a big boy, and can take care of himself. he doesn’t need us ragging on him.
i was talking with my mom the other day (she had 5 of us) and we were talking about car seats and airbags and shit like that and we came to the conclusion that it is a by-gawd MIRACLE! that any of her kids managed to survive past the trip home from the hospital, much less all manage to grow to adult-hood and join the ranks of the shiftless and unemployeed! Indeed, how has anyone survived without Big Brother watching over us?
i just glue my kid to the carpet, totally immobilizing him, to prevent any harm from coming to him.